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Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by asdfiwerio on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:04PM (#35031485)
This is literally the modern version of the old person who refuses to use anything but cash and won't use the internet or get an email account. People who elect to be luddites even of small degree will always have an suboptimal experience to people who adopt change.
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by hanniabu on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:08PM (#35031520)
"if you don't give up all your privacy to mega corp then you deserve to be blacklisted by society"
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by tsuujin on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:57PM (#35032115)
Thank you, I was feeling like I was very far outside of this thread until your comment.
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by jrockway on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:01PM (#35032152)
It's somewhat unclear to me what you have to lose here. You're going to their retail store that is littered with cameras as a feature they heavily advertise. You're returning a package with your name and address on it. If typing your password into the turnstile is the last straw, that just seems weird to me.

But even that wasn't required. OP did their return successfully.

Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by bentley on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:20PM (#35033554)
The loss of privacy comes not from actions taken at the Amazon store, but from having the app installed on the phone 24/7, including when you’re not at the Amazon store.

A somewhat similar example would be using Facebook purely through its Tor onion address, while simultaneously blocking facebook.com on your home network. The point is not to keep Meta from having any information about you, but to limit Meta to information it can acquire from your direct interactions, as opposed to the piles of unrelated browsing history it normally acquires through IP address correlation and Like buttons.

Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by crazygringo on Sunday March 05, 2023 @04:37PM (#35034233)
OK, I'll bite: what could possibly be the issue with keeping an app installed?

If you quit it it's not running, and if you don't give it location permissions it's not tracking your location.

Is there something I'm missing?

Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by bentley on Sunday March 05, 2023 @04:54PM (#35034430)
The situation has gotten better over time as the OS manufacturers have locked down permissions and made background operations more visible. But many privacy leaks have been only recently fixed or remain unfixed—for instance, it was only in 2021 that Android removed the ability for apps to collect the full list of installed apps. And there have been some real stinkers in the past, like when Facebook used its app to modify people’s contacts lists to make @facebook.com email addresses the primary. Companies that make money from aggregating data will always be on the cutting edge of these techniques compared to ordinary people. The app that’s not installed leaks no data at all, and I don’t blame anyone for avoiding apps that aren’t absolutely necessary.
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by rnk on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:27PM (#35032422)
The whole point of the go stores was to do retail in a different way, where you had to conform to their way or it wouldn't work. Yes, it was limiting for people that didn't have a phone with them or account info. Do all of these people befuddled by the phone/app requirement for go stores struggle when they go to pick up something at an amazon locker? It's basically the same thing, you can't "talk to someone" to get your locker opened that is on the back wall of the drugstore.
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by bentley on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:59PM (#35033332)
You can access an Amazon locker with a barcode printed from the Amazon website, or even from your confirmation email. The app is not required.
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by rnk on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:57PM (#35044737)
good point - I forgot about that. I added my son's account once to access a locker for pickup too.
Re:Amazon Is Closing Its Cashierless Stores in NYC, San Fran... by olyjohn on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:05PM (#35033400)
What's the problem with cash? Counting change make you feel like a dummy?