Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by gjpolly on Sunday March 05, 2023 @11:59AM
(#35031420)
I think FF users need these sites more than the sites need them. There's little motivation to support a browser with relatively few users, and a big motivation to get users to switch to their platform.
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by dijit on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:01PM
(#35031445)
I think you're right, but not supporting firefox leads more people to use chrome and suddenly we're living the exact definition of a vicious cycle.
FWIW I'm not a firefox user myself, but I am not a fan of Google hegemony in browser tech.
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by palata on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:15PM
(#35031577)
I guess many people are in your situation. If they used Firefox, maybe it would help the "Google hegemony in browser tech" problem?
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by dijit on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:17PM
(#35031614)
I use Safari so for now I don't consider myself part of the problem.
Though I do launch Chrome to use Teams (because Teams is mandated by my org and I am too shrill and opinionated to install the desktop client).
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by palata on Monday March 06, 2023 @11:13AM
(#35042749)
> I use Safari so for now I don't consider myself part of the problem.
Got it, I misunderstood your sentence above!
> Though I do launch Chrome to use Teams (because Teams is mandated by my org and I am too shrill and opinionated to install the desktop client).
Yes, it doesn't help that companies don't give a damn, either :)
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by jjgreen on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:16PM
(#35031587)
I think you're looking for "kowtow", however much I enjoy "cow-toe"
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by behnamoh on Sunday March 05, 2023 @11:57AM
(#35031397)
> Support the prevailing web-standards or lose me as a customer.
Respectfully, a lot of developers don't care about losing a small percentage of users. They will get to focus their effort on Chrome users and increase the service quality for them.
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by dijit on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:00PM
(#35031430)
That's fine. If they can't manage to make a service work using appropriate web standards then I don't think I trust them with hosting a service, my data, or to create adequate products anyway. -- I mean, what other corners are being cut?
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by curtisblaine on Sunday March 05, 2023 @05:59PM
(#35035144)
It's quite probable that they are not cutting the corners that make them money and they're cutting (or might cut) everything else. After all, Firefox Nightly's share is a rounding error for Teams (and its users probably not Team's target anyway)
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by dijit on Monday March 06, 2023 @01:06AM
(#35037983)
Yes. but things like backups or security will not make them money either. So I can’t assume that they're protecting my data.
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by marginalia_nu on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:06PM
(#35031498)
Seems like a strange business decision to give up a a percentage of the market to the competition like that.
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by Karunamon on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:20PM
(#35031635)
The percentage of the market that holds a strong opinion about a nondefault web browser with already minuscule (and consistently declining) market share, and will actively avoid you for not supporting it, almost definitely costs more to cater to then to ignore. (Testing time, engine specific bugs and code, etc.)
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by marginalia_nu on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:52PM
(#35032036)
That small percentage will be extremely loyal to whichever services will cater to them though. A small percentage of users all choosing to use your service can still be quite a lot of users if there is no real competition in the segment.
Re:Tell HN: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly
by curtisblaine on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:45PM
(#35032616)
That works in reverse though: they can do that to people that they're happy to lose as a customer. In case of ff nightly, number of users are a rounding error. It's entirely possible that cutting them off is worth having a smaller backlog.
I'm already sick of how much I have to kowtow to large companies because they treat developer time as costly, but user time as free.