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Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by abandonliberty on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:07PM (#35012258)
I'm curious if the blocking of adult content has to do with moralism, commercial interests, or something deeper.

An eager to please conversational partner who can generate endless content seems quite dangerous and addictive, especially when it crosses over into romantic areas. There's already posts of people spending entire days interacting with LLMs, using as their therapist, romantic partner, etc.

Combined with findings like social engineering through prompt injection on Bing [1], the potential for systems that can manipulate people is clear.

While some of us may think that the LLMs appear ultimately limited in their capabilities, there's a ton of specific applications where they're more than sufficient, including customer service chat bots and telephone scams that target vulnerable people. It's only a matter of time until scammers stop using international call centers and switch over to something powered by these technologies.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34976886

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by altgeek on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:33PM (#35012663)
The "Joi" character from Blade Runner 2049 is an implementable reality, today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Blade_Runner_character...
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by TremendousJudge on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:08PM (#35013046)
creating the torment nexus one day at a time
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by nico_h on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:34PM (#35013987)
There’s also Her from Her (basically Siri + ChatGPT), and the holo housewife from “The Sixt Day”.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by yieldcrv on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:12PM (#35012334)
commercial interests. current organizations need recurring revenue or to sell shares at a higher price to investors

this perpetual aspect is their achilles heel

it is only a matter of time before an organization realizes they don't HAVE to do a SaaS product to make a billion dollars. but for now, everyone's trying to make a hundred billion dollars and are steered into doing things that enthusiasts hate.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by vineyardmike on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:12PM (#35013091)
> it is only a matter of time before an organization realizes they don't have to do a SaaS product to make a billion dollars.

Most people recognize this. But venture backed startups (especially important for AI companies with high training costs) need to prove stickiness and reoccurring revenue to the investors. Conveniently a subscription proves both.

Subscribe and SaaS are just good for businesses (and tbh many purchasers of tech). I think it’s here to stay.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by marcosdumay on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:22PM (#35013852)
> Subscribe and SaaS are just good for businesses

In a non-competitive market with uninformed customers.

Honestly, I have no idea how long that situation can last. Probably more than I can imagine, so yes, it's good business.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by screye on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:10PM (#35013725)
Wall-E humans are going to be reality. That last century has already proven that humans cannot be expected to responsibly indulge in Gluttony, Sloth or Lust. Now these models can skip the material desires and trigger permanent hormone releases through perfectly personalized content.

I genuinely fear that the breakdown of millennia old social structures that kept us human might lead to a temporary (century long) turmoil for individuals. The answers to the 'meaning of life' and 'what makes us human' are going to change. And we will never be the same again.

This isn't just about AI. External wombs, autonomous robots, genetic editing & widespread plastic surgery each fundamentally destroy individual aspects of 'what makes us human' or 'the meaning of life'.

Might be for the best. But such drastic change is really hard for the fragile human brain to process.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by dawnbreez on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:23PM (#35013869)
This argument has been made since at least the start of written records:

> And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only the semblance of wisdom, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much while for the most part they know nothing. And as men filled not with wisdom but with the conceit of wisdom they will be a burden to their fellows. - Plato, in Phaedrus, ca. 370 BC

While our replacements for parts of ourselves have gotten far more advanced, the fact of the matter is that we haven't stopped being human simply because we can make tools that remember things for us, build things for us, or let us change parts of ourselves more easily.

This is because what makes something human is not our body--an argument that Diogenes famously refuted in about the same era--nor is it merely our minds, though our minds are pretty impressive. What makes us human--what makes us alive, in a sense beyond merely being an animal that isn't dead yet--is what we do with those things. I could grow fox ears and a fluffy tail in the world of tomorrow; I could use an AI to remind myself to self-care; today I already benefit from a thousand different kinds of mass-produced products. But none of that makes me a different person, because I'll still be doing things with my life that meant something to me yesterday--because those things will continue meaning something to me tomorrow.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by javajosh on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:24PM (#35015219)
> This argument has been made since at least the start of written records:

That argument has been made since only slightly later. The key difference is that this truly is a unique time in history by population numbers. It's also unique in that humans could destroy the biosphere if we wanted to - that was never possible before the mid-20th.

Just because people jumped the gun in the past doesn't mean they are wrong now. The truth is that people are always preaching about the apocalypse, and will continue to do so as long as there are humans, I think. But this does not mean an apocalypse isn't coming. Just like the person who always predicts rain is sometimes right.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by thaumasiotes on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:40PM (#35015418)
> It's also unique in that humans could destroy the biosphere if we wanted to - that was never possible before the mid-20th.

It's not possible now either. If all of humanity's efforts were devoted to this task, they would not even make a noticeable difference.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by javajosh on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:03PM (#35015657)
My assessment for most of my life has been if most of the world's ~10k 'strategic' megaton-scale warheads exploded in air over Earth's major cities it would kick up enough dust to kill the sun for several years, which would kill off a large fraction of Earth's flora and fauna, akin to a major volcanic eruption or asteroid collision.

There would still be life of the smaller sort, and deep in the oceans of course. Only a terribly unlucky cosmic event, like a nearby supernova spewing enough neutrinos at us could kill literally all life, even in the cracks and crevices.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by thaumasiotes on Friday March 03, 2023 @08:14PM (#35017130)
That is an ephemeral change. It takes very little time for the biosphere to make a full recovery. You're talking about a small, brief, suppression of the biosphere. And you're calling it "destruction of the biosphere".
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by javajosh on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:08PM (#35017436)
Yes, and when a forest burns down I call it the destruction of a forest even though it can grow back because that's how language is used.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by thaumasiotes on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:51PM (#35017663)
Even if you're talking about the fires in Yellowstone in 1988, the only way to call that "destruction of the forest" is if you define the forest as being the trees. That's a defensible choice.

(And temperate forests "burn down" all the time as part of their normal operations.)

But you can't define the biosphere as "the species that go extinct in a particular scenario". You're stuck with the whole thing, which is not going to notice whatever humans do. It would make as much sense to call it "destruction of the biosphere" if I moved a rock thirty feet.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by astrange on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:23AM (#35019807)
Burning down is part of the natural lifecycle of many forests, and they actually suffer when modern land management stops natural fires.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by fennecfoxy on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:56PM (#35044709)
>I could grow fox ears and a fluffy tail in the world of tomorrow

Yes, please!

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by ly3xqhl8g9 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @02:00PM (#35123683)
Sooner rather than later [1].

[1] "Diverse Intelligence" - a talk by Michael Levin, timestamp: induce cells to make an eye anywhere, https://youtu.be/iIQX6m2eRPY?t=2939

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by nico_h on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:28PM (#35013921)
You’re confusing reality in the US with reality in general.

The obesity epidemic (Gluttony ) is extreme in the US but not in other just as rich countries.

I don’t know what you are referring to with the irresponsible Sloth indulging.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by lazide on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:58PM (#35014260)
Oh, it’s getting there. Obesity is spreading.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by squidsoup on Friday March 03, 2023 @03:13PM (#35014435)
That is not true, the US isn’t even in the top 10.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-obes...

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by tablespoon on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:19PM (#35013829)
> That last century has already proven that humans cannot be expected to responsibly...

...advance technology. Some group is just going to do whatever they want and hope for the best, and we'll find out decades later if it was a bad idea and if we have a mess to clean up (which we probably won't clean up).

> Might be for the best.

People are going to assume that, because the changes going to be forced on you, like it or not.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by narrator on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:56PM (#35014242)
Perpetual happiness is already a solved problem in humans. It's called the mu-opioid receptor. That's what opioid junkies sprawled on the sidewalk half-naked in San Francisco have discovered. Fentanyl is very cheap and you could put someone in factory farm like confines and feed them bare sustenance and fentanyl for the rest of their lives and they'd probably be "happy" if kept perpetually high.

However, those opioid receptors should not be pushed synthetically because they have been positioned by evolution in all sorts of strategic spots to encourage pro-social behavior, mating, eating, etc. that are part of our millions year old evolutionary program that must have intrinsic value in itself. If it has no intrinsic value and any happiness is as good as any other happiness, then someone spending the rest of their lives in an opioid haze and someone interacting with the world in a way that evolution tells them to in order to be happy would be considered equivalent, and that would be the end of the human race essentially.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by blueboo on Friday March 03, 2023 @03:10PM (#35014399)
Maybe. There is another plausible path: the post-scarcity vision where universal individualised high quality education feeds the natural human desire to grow, and we learn to balance our hedonism with our ambition.

Just like we learn to brush our teeth and eat candy and breath fresh air and even exercise. Not everyone does it but folks with means tend to…and means won’t be a restriction forever.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by skissane on Friday March 03, 2023 @03:49PM (#35014802)
> I genuinely fear that the breakdown of millennia old social structures that kept us human might lead to a temporary (century long) turmoil for individuals. The answers to the 'meaning of life' and 'what makes us human' are going to change. And we will never be the same again.

Meanwhile, the Amish and the ultra-Orthodox Jews are going to refuse to talk to AIs - it’s a sin - and will go on having lots of kids, just like humanity always has, while the AI-addicts will be too addicted to bother having any at all. Maybe the future of the human race will be the people who reject AI rather than those who succumb to its charms

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by jrm4 on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:05PM (#35015674)
Eh. I'm not so concerned, mostly because we have a whole hell of a lot of "imaginary relationships" already through a number of media. Celebrity worship, video games, even going back to novels.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by bjelkeman-again on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:35PM (#35015974)
Well it seems we are well on the way. By 2035 half of humanity is expected to be overweight or obese.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/02/more-than-ha...

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by astrange on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:24AM (#35019810)
I don't think you give humans much credit if you don't believe they have an infinite capacity to get bored by things. AIs can't produce endlessly compelling content because nothing can.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by narrator on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:26PM (#35013907)
I think that as long as people can run their AI girlfriends on their own computers without having a corporation acting as an intermediary and thus a virtual "pimp" [for lack of a better word] in the relationship, I think it's fine. The problems come when people have to pay monthly to talk to their AI girlfriends and get charged extra if they want them to act a certain way or do certain things.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by anubiskhan on Friday March 03, 2023 @03:28PM (#35014602)
Seems like at that point one might as well just pay onlyfans? Although I suspect it is not far off until gpt and deepfaking get combined to produce completely generated onlyfans (or some other competitor if this is against their ToS, I have no idea).

On a similar note I very much look forward to the day when entertainment providers leverage these so I can say to Netflix, et al, "I would like to watch a documentary about XYZ, narrated by someone that sounds like Joe Schmoe, and with the styling of SomeOtherShow".

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by michannne on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:17PM (#35015123)
I'm not seeing how onlyfans equate to virtual AI girlfriends
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by CamperBob2 on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:19PM (#35016335)
They're equal, in the sense that nothing you see on a screen is real.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by anubiskhan on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:44PM (#35016526)
I assumed I knew what `and get charged extra if they want them to act a certain way or do certain things` meant, but maybe not. I thought it was along the lines of acting romantic/sexual/etc. Maybe I'm way off but I'd think otherwise it would just be an AI friend. I didn't know AI girlfriends were a thing until I clicked on this post today.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by atleastoptimal on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:49PM (#35015510)
Corporations will do anything they can to keep that from happening. That's why every software product has gradually veered towards subscription models. They want you hooked to Microsoft/Apple/Facebook's AI girlfriend who will subtly insult your virtue as a partner if you don't buy extra credits. If you want to try out a politically incorrect fetish that's an extra 500 dollars per month for "extra premium"
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by crooked-v on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:14PM (#35016294)
Apple is the odd one out here, considering they've been making substantial efforts to move things on to consumer devices. For example, the ML-driven auto-categorization of pictures you keep in the Photos app happens on-device in the background whether or not you have any subscriptions.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by Wingman4l7 on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:43PM (#35016518)
I wouldn't give them too much credit. With the addition of the T2 "security" chip, your devices are bricks if they can't authenticate against your Apple ID. Combine that with them soldering together formerly modular components, and it's a very expensive lesson in you not owning your own hardware.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by astrange on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:19AM (#35019784)
Is this supposed to be about activation lock? Phones don't contain a T2, that's a brand name for a component of Intel Macs.

And of course it's good for phones to make them worthless to steal, or else they'd be hard to use in public.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by Wingman4l7 on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:32PM (#35025574)
I'm specifically talking about the T2 chips in the laptops. The newest Macbooks can be activation-locked, just like the phones. This has already bitten legitimate owners who are trying to restore backup images, etc.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by counttheforks on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:20PM (#35032354)
Legislation needs to step in to make it illegal for corporations to prevent resale. If I have a piece of hardware in my hands it is mine. It should ALWAYS be possible to access it. If Full Disk Encryption is used then there should be a button to reset it and start over.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by astrange on Sunday March 05, 2023 @11:38PM (#35037561)
It is possible to access it, with the consent of the previous owner. It's not possible to steal it though.
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by counttheforks on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:48AM (#35039918)
Physical access should be all that's needed, and you shouldn't need to beg for permission from the company who sold you the device.

Software that locks out people with physical access from resetting a device is not an ethical, or effective, way to prevent hardware theft. It's dystopian.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by xg15 on Friday March 03, 2023 @07:03PM (#35016657)
Yeah, on locked-down devices under Apple's control.

I honestly think locked-down consumer devices are the next step in corporate power-play after cloud services: The control is just as firmly in the hands of corporation as with cloud, except now it doesn't even have to pay for bandwidth an energy costs. And costs for hardware updates actually turn into revenue!

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by binarymax on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:20PM (#35015179)
“An eager to please conversational partner who can generate endless content seems quite dangerous and addictive”

Don’t date robots!

https://youtu.be/wJ6knaienVE

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by gclawes on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:32PM (#35015315)
He never saw the propaganda film!
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by wilde on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:37PM (#35016468)
Apple. They blocked an email client for adult content. Y'know, the place where you have a spam folder full of unsolicited offers of sex and drugs. sigh
Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by int_19h on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:44PM (#35016524)
As usual, it starts with regulation for the sake of preventing some specific harm (e.g. having the model produce instructions for harmful activities). But, once you have the system in place, it will inevitably be used for morality by popular demand.

From company's perspective, moralism is commercial interests - it needs to be sufficiently non-objectionable for as many customers as possible.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by dragonwriter on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:49PM (#35016560)
> As usual, it starts with regulation for the sake of preventing some specific harm (e.g. having the model produce instructions for harmful activities). But, once you have the system in place, it will inevitably be used for morality by popular demand.

Blocking information which could be used for harm is just as much “morality” as any other moderation.

Re:Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents by int_19h on Friday March 03, 2023 @07:31PM (#35016873)
Technically, even the notion that harm is something to be avoided is itself a moral take.

I guess a better way to phrase it is that once you start policing morality on one particular matter and create tools for that purpose, those tools will eventually be used to police morality to conform to social consensus across the board.