This right here strikes at the root of the issue - if someone wants to refer to a group with hate, there is NO way to fix that by changing the term.

And changing the term to try to avoid it just results in weird terms and euphemisms, it doesn’t eliminate hate.

Human migration.

The thing that makes it weird is that "Jew" represents both a religion and a people. We really don't see that in other cultures or religions. Now as likely as my profile isn't going to be outed, but 'joining in' is a great way to be tarred as an anti-semite, whether you sincerely hate Jews or not.

And also, since you're Jewish, you're allowed to use comments and jokes like "Jewbilee". It's similar to how African Americans can use "nigga/nigger" amongst each other but is completely forbidden for anyone else. That's primarily due to the power dynamic of those words, and how they traditionally were used as a slur. This is examples where members of the group change the definition to be positive rather than negative.

I grew up with my trash of parents teaching 6 year old me to negotiate at flea markets by "jewing them down". And although I won't have children, I make a conscious choice not to continue that language. My language shapes my reality. So no.

What do you call a group of Jews though? If Jews is off the table?

I totally hear what you are saying though and I know you are coming from a good place. The Jewish race/religion thing is an odd one. Ive always considered myself Jewish by race, 99% Ashkenazi but not religion, I have no religious beliefs.

Conversation reminds me of the infamous lunar new year invite.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomememes/comments/ap6022/man_...

A Jewish group

A group of Jewish people

So in a sentence you would say

"The church is full of christians and the temple is full of a group of Jewish people"

That sounds odd.

"The church is full of Christians and the temple is full of Jews" sounds correct and treats each group equally.

I know you mean well but I just disagree with linguistic gymnastics in order to be pc

To be fair, its best not even to discuss. It's not like discussing Jewish stuff is normal... well, outside being Jewish or being a neonazi/white supremacist, or awkward discussions here.

But discussing here, I try to keep as neutral as possible. If we're talking about the religion, I use people of Jewish faith. And if talking about Ashkenazi Jews (hereditary), I use that term. And past that, I try to keep as matter-of-factly plain simple language, and check for any colloquiums that have alternate white nationalist meanings.

But usually, this topic doesn't even come up. It's only awkward HN comment chains that have this weird political forced neutral writing. But that too is self-defense.

I hear you. I regret that we live in a society where we have to police ourselves for fear of cancellation and offence when no offence is intended.

as a fellow jew: “he’s a jew” vs “he’s a _jew_”

and “the jews run X”

i’d prefer jewish / jewish people.

we’re not a monolith, nor is any other minority group. and for that matter, navigating society and learning that not all people prefer the same terms/words/pronouns is just life.

i’m sorry people cant do and say what they please and offend others, but that’s just part of being an agreeable human and living in society

I'm not Jewish, but I find the distinction between Jewish and jew-ish to be entertaining, and really descriptive

When that congressman claimed he meant he was Jew-ish I flat out laughed. Dude is a liar and a crook and totally undeserving of serving in congress but the sheer chutzpah that took was amazing. I found myself more amused than offended. I still chuckle when I run across a reference to it.

Absolutely, each to their own but its never really bothered me. There is obviously a difference in the tone its said when used by someone like Kanye or a neo-nazi vs a rabbi. I've never really allowed myself to be defined or bothered by things like that. I've had beers with neo-nazis before with them full on knowing I was jewish. They obviously toned downed their rhetoric and we had a pretty decent conversation. No friends were made that day but it was a fun chat. Obviously there are levels to this though, they were not marching calling for my death.