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Re:The moral case against equity language by parineum on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:26AM (#35007496)
And since nobody has asked that question before that well known rhetorical work we know everyone who mentions the same question is just dog whistling a reference to it.

You left that part out.

Re:The moral case against equity language by asmor on Friday March 03, 2023 @04:41AM (#35007599)
The throughline of

>it's now controversial to ask "what is a woman?"

to Matt Walsh is pretty clear. The entire documentenary is based on the premise that it's not controversial to ask this, because the answer must inevitably be "adult human female", this excluding trans people. Meanwhile in reality, nobody finds this question controversial, only Matt Walsh's simplified extremely common sense appeal answer.

Re:The moral case against equity language by bilvar on Friday March 03, 2023 @07:38AM (#35008754)
What do you mean that nobody finds the question controversial? I remember it being a huge controversy when the US congress asked it during Kentanji Brown Jackson's interview.
Re:The moral case against equity language by asmor on Friday March 03, 2023 @07:51AM (#35008891)
You got the order of events wrong. That was after it became a dogwhistle for bioessentialism. As a consequence of Matt Walsh.

I guess if you want to be exact, I will correct to "nobody found this question controversial before it became a dogwhistle". But the question itself is still not controversial, it's all context.

Re:The moral case against equity language by bilvar on Friday March 03, 2023 @08:00AM (#35008972)
So how can someone phrase the exact same question in a different way that is not a dogwhistle?
Re:The moral case against equity language by asmor on Friday March 03, 2023 @08:04AM (#35009025)
If you explain to me the purpose of the question - that not being invoking the dogwhistle - I'll let you know. Otherwise I'm not interested in playing this game with a bad faith actor.
Re:The moral case against equity language by bilvar on Friday March 03, 2023 @08:17AM (#35009164)
The purpose is that in the law we have clearly determined concepts such as Women's Rights. Thus, the justice system needs to be able to determine who is or not a woman in order to do its job properly. For instance, in the UK wolf-whistling can be considered a hate-crime if and only if the receiver is a woman.
Re:The moral case against equity language by undersuit on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:00PM (#35013619)
Why not just make wolf-whistling a hate crime regardless of the receiver's identity? From the responses I've gotten around here a woman is an adult. Now we're legally OK with young girls being wolf-whistled at?
Re:The moral case against equity language by bilvar on Friday March 03, 2023 @02:17PM (#35013810)
Aside that we are in agreement that laws should not be gendered if we want equality (not examining whether wolf-whistling should be a hate-crime - imho it’s ridiculous it is in any context) since we live in reality and there ARE gendered laws I’ll reply to the second part of your comment.

It does exactly make the point, you are somehow trying to define what a woman is, and asking if the definition only encompasses adult human females or underage as well.