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Re:The moral case against equity language by StanislavPetrov on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:54AM (#35006280)
XX instead of XY. The fact that 1 in a million people is neither a man or a women has no bearing on this fact.
Re:The moral case against equity language by dragonwriter on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:10AM (#35006384)
> XX instead of XY. The fact that 1 in a million people is neither a man or a women has no bearing on this fact.

Using the typical assignment of “sex” (really, a kind of gender ascribed based on a subset of sex traits at birth):

1 in 25,000 men is XX (approximately universally infertile, though chimerism might affect this, I guess)

1 in 15,000 women is XY (potentially fertile with HRT, and in at least one documented case, due to chimerism, without.)

Re:The moral case against equity language by undersuit on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:58AM (#35006305)
So now we need to perform tests? What happens when the person is a chimera?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,XX/46,XY

Re:The moral case against equity language by vianneychevalie on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:09AM (#35006373)
We call them a chimera?
Re:The moral case against equity language by dragonwriter on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:12AM (#35006394)
Sex essentialists exploding the gender binary is…a new one.
Re:The moral case against equity language by StanislavPetrov on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:23AM (#35006452)
For those who have trouble translating the insane new lexicon, "sex essentialist" means "one who believes in biology and objective reality".
Re:The moral case against equity language by dragonwriter on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:25AM (#35006465)
No, it means “one who believes that some simple subset of biological sex traits should be the immutable basis of socially–and particularly legally–ascribed gender categories, rather than, for instance, ascribed gender conforming to gender identity”.
Re:The moral case against equity language by catiopatio on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:44AM (#35006578)
Can you define what you mean by the word “gender”? What is a gender? What is not a gender?
Re:The moral case against equity language by dragonwriter on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:58AM (#35006647)
Like a “race”, a “gender” is a social grouping of either identity or ascribed membership that is distinguished by being viewed as being exclusive with (though, in some models, admitting mixtures as their own unique possibilities), others in the same named group.
Re:The moral case against equity language by catiopatio on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:20AM (#35009941)
By that definition, isn’t “emo” — or literally any other social category — a gender?

Do you believe that segregated services — sports, bathrooms, locker rooms, etc — were intended to be segregated by gender, as opposed to sex?

Re:The moral case against equity language by dragonwriter on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:58AM (#35012145)
> By that definition, isn’t “emo” — or literally any other social category — a gender

No, “emo” is a social category that is not exclusive with genders, its in a different bucket.

But, yes, the distinction of social categories into groups like “gender”, “race”, etc., is, like the categories themselves, fundamentally an arbitrary social construct.

> Do you believe that segregated services — sports, bathrooms, locker rooms, etc — were intended to be segregated by gender, as opposed to sex?

Binary “sex” is just ascribed gender on the basis of a subset of sex traits. To the extent there is a valid basis for segregating services, it varies from service to service. Similarly, the motivations vary from service to service (and, generally differ from the legitimate justifications, if any.)

Re:The moral case against equity language by defrost on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:04AM (#35006350)
As a strict definition that's fine in a context.

However:

> The fact that 1 in a million people is neither a man or a women

the number you are looking for here (ie only ..

    conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female
) is 180 in a million, or some 4,625 or so in a country such as Australia - which does have some real bearing on things such as national passports and why Australia has a three value gender field there ( M | F | X ).

Less strictly, the prevalence of "nondimorphic sexual development" might be as high as 1.7% or 17,000 in a million.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex