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Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by namdnay on Thursday March 02, 2023 @09:30AM (#34996070)
What Id say is that today anyone who wants to sell a “smart” product has to write a proper clean iOS app that gets reviewed.

Tomorrow I can guarantee they will immediately cut costs and ship out piles of sideloaded garbage

Sure, it’s up to the consumer to choose, but they’re not going to write that on the package

Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by gambiting on Thursday March 02, 2023 @09:52AM (#34996342)
>>Tomorrow I can guarantee they will immediately cut costs and ship out piles of sideloaded garbage

Yeah except that's absolute nonsense because you could already do that on Android and yet I recall only one instance where a developer explicitly asked me to sideload an app(for Fortnite, no less). It's going to remain an incredible niche that will affect 0.00001% users at most.

Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by tekknik on Thursday March 02, 2023 @10:29AM (#34996844)
Then what’s the point of forcing these companies to allow it? If it only affects such a small user base then money regulating it is clearly being wasted and should be used for something that will affect more people’s lives?

Clearly they believe that number is much higher.

Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by gambiting on Thursday March 02, 2023 @12:02PM (#34998361)
I think you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It will affect hundreds of millions of iOS users. Whether these users choose to use their newly given freedom to install software not controlled by Apple is up to them - but the legislation affects 100% of iOS userbase.

(in hindsight I shouldn't have said it will affect 0.0001% users - maybe I should have said that I guess only that many users will choose to sideload software instead)

Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by ohgodplsno on Thursday March 02, 2023 @09:53AM (#34996358)
Just like happens daily on Androi... nevermind, it doesn't happen. Beautiful strawman you've built yourself there.
Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by piffey on Thursday March 02, 2023 @10:30AM (#34996872)
Actually yes it does. 3rd party app stores is where the majority of Android malware comes from. The vast majority of mobile malware is all Android for this reason. Whenever I need low hanging fruit for mobile malware analysis it’s always start at a third party Android App Store. It’s a dumpster fire.

iOS’ advantage is it’s walled garden. It’s a place where a lot of trust is curated for the nontechnical. This evaporates that.

What appears good for the highly technical is not always good for the user.

We can’t be expecting grandmothers to check signatures, ensure an app has certificates pinned, trust that a company won’t let its update domains lapse, and understand public key crypto to set up their GPG keys for a messaging alternative much less handle them properly. Hell I’ve had senior engineers send me their private GPG key when requesting their public key.

Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by ohgodplsno on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:40AM (#35011861)
Delightful movement of the goal posts, highly technical move.

Your argument was that the moment there is no longer a need to be constrained by Apple's App Store rules, your Samsung dishwasher will make you install its app through Shady Store Incorporated, because it's easier, and it'll make your grandma install it.

Except that doesn't happen. Noone has done that. The highest profile case is Fortnite, and it makes you install it either through Epic Games, or the Samsung Galaxy Store, and the only reason for that is that Google feels entitled to taking 30% of transactions too.

Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by dncornholio on Thursday March 02, 2023 @11:25AM (#34997816)
Nobody is going to ship their commercial apps outside the app store, because else nobody would be able to find their app.
Re:EU will require Apple to open up iMessage by namdnay on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:46AM (#35011090)
I'm thinking more of a smart fridge, or car app, or some other crap. I'm 99% sure a lot of them will stop going through the painful iOS process and just give you a QR code for their app