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Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by petesergeant on Thursday March 02, 2023 @12:48AM (#34992450)
Do you work with people in other timezones? It’s much easier to reason about what a reasonable time is for people when you know how it centers up with noon for them.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by rascul on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:03AM (#34992550)
I do. And the math needs to be done either way, if you're trying to determine a relation to when the sun is at its peak for your area vs their area.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by Aerroon on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:16AM (#34992617)
The math would've been a lot easier if GMT+0 had been somewhere in the Pacific ocean. Going from +1 to -7 is a lot more troublesome for most people than from +11 to +19.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by bonzini on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:43AM (#34993124)
Well, it would just move the issue to Europe wouldn't it? If Europe became a -10ish time zone, they would be the one having to go from +11 to +19.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by midoridensha on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:47AM (#34993157)
Yeah, it would be nice if they made GMT the same as the international date line.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by bonzini on Thursday March 02, 2023 @05:46AM (#34994270)
The international date line is where you go from GMT-12 to GMT+11 or something similar.

So, no matter what time zone you pick as the reference, by definition the international date line is 12 hours away from your reference.

Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by defrost on Thursday March 02, 2023 @05:51AM (#34994300)
Except where it's -10 or +14 hours away from reference due to jogging around countries or island groups.

See:

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by bonzini on Thursday March 02, 2023 @06:24AM (#34994508)
Yeah it zigzags a bit but it hovers on the two sides of +/-12, placing it around 0 would mean half the world operating on a work week that is shifted by one.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by petesergeant on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:19AM (#34993002)
Sure, but I work across three timezones, and I can glance up to the top-right of my computer and see all three at a very quick glance, as well as knowing when people are likely to be having lunch, whether it's early or late for someone, and so on. I'm also now quite used to "Jerry gets up early his time" for certain coworkers.

I guess you could potentially have some sort of graphic to show the same thing for sunrise vs sunset ... but as you point out, the maths needs to be done either way, so why get rid of a system that works pretty well?

DST is the real enemy here.

Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by wolverine876 on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:03AM (#34992554)
'I'll call you tomorrow.'

'Tomorrow clock time or tomorrow after the Sun rises?'

Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by scbrg on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:20AM (#34992647)
So we'd need to adjust our terminology a bit. I'm sure the world wouldn't end because of that.

It's always amusing to me how opponents of the idea of abolishing time zones assume that everything will stay the same, except, well abolishing of time zones. Apparently in the moment we do so, humanity will be become incapable of adjusting even the slightest. It will be impossible to invent a couple of new terms to let people communicate easily about time. It will be impossible to replace time zone maps and time zone aware clocks with ones that show regular office hours in different regions, &c.

For the record, I'm not even really for abolishing time zones, but the fact that the word "tomorrow" would become slightly less useful is not a particularly significant reason.

Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by Taywee on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:47AM (#34992826)
We spend a huge amount of our time talking about and reasoning about time. Destroying the meaning of all of the language we've built up is pretty significant. More importantly, it basically ensures that all that terminology will be vastly different when you live in different parts of the world, where the day changes in the morning vs the middle of the solar day vs the evening vs the middle of the night. Weekday names will be entirely regional, and their implications will be as well.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by mantas on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:26AM (#34993392)
Decoupling day cycle from the sun is quite a big change.
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by wkat4242 on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:17AM (#34992622)
I usually say "tomorrow your time or my time" :)
Re:Europe pushing for lunar time zone by jameshart on Thursday March 02, 2023 @07:24AM (#34994846)
usually (outside of global business meetings) when you are talking to a person about making plans you are both in the same time zone. So asking ‘your time or my time’ is unnecessary.

But if we got rid of time zones, you’d need new ways to distinguish between tomorrow meaning ‘after the clock ticks over 24:00’ bs ‘after the next night cycle’ because they would not be the same thing.

To be fair the same ambiguity occurs now if you are, say, parting ways with someone after midnight and you say ‘see you tomorrow’, but you actually mean later that same calendar day.

But I think losing the ability to make use, in everyday local conversations with people in the same place as you, of concepts like ‘tomorrow afternoon’, would be kind of a dealbreaker for time zone abolition.