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Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @12:34PM (#34985358)
Hey friends. Thorium's developer here. Happy to answer any questions or give more insights.

Thorium Classic has been in development since 2016 and is primarily intended to be used in brick-and-mortar space centers out in Utah, like the Space Place[1] and CMSC[2]. As such, there isn't a lot of content and documentation to get newcomers up-and-running with it.

Thorium Nova is currently under development and is intended to be used by a broader audience. It will include much more content, pre-built missions, and more integrated tutorials.

The project is open-source, so anyone is welcome to contribute[3] and follow along with the progress of each alpha.

1: https://www.thespaceplace.org

2: https://spacecenter.alpineschools.org

3: https://thoriumsim.com/blog/contributing-to-thorium-nova

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by matthewfcarlson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @12:45PM (#34985526)
While I haven't played any bridge simulator, I am personally a huge fan of collaborative experiences that tech can enable. There are some many interesting things that can be done when you augment a human's storytelling capability with an environment that can change with their story, offering a way for the audience to interact in a meaningful way with each other and the story itself.

This seems like a wonderful project with a lot of love. Keep going :)

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @12:49PM (#34985604)
Thanks for the encouragement, and the reminder of what makes this project special.
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by myself248 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:40PM (#34986501)
This looks like a lot of fun, I've played some Artemis but not explored the other offerings in the space.

One thing that's always struck me as weirdly difficult with the spaceship-bridge genre, but wholeheartedly embraced by generic flight-sims, is custom control surfaces! Everyone wants pedals and knobs and sliders and a big red button in the middle of the console. Kerbal players are notorious for hooking up the most bizarre junk they can find as in-game controls, and the game is richer for it. I saw mention of DMX lighting, but nothing about mapping random HID controls...

Another thing we did playing Artemis, was put the "engineering" station in another room, with walkie-talkies so you had to actually "call down to engineering" to ask them to do things. That should be Teamspeak or something now, I suppose, but having the various parts of the ship in physically separate places (perhaps across the internet?) really adds something, IMHO.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:49PM (#34986638)
I've actually got WebGamepad support built into the pilot station. Start up the game, start a flight, and load up the pilot station. Then plug in your gamepad, wiggle it so the browser recognizes it, and a config icon will appear in the bottom right. From there you should be able to configure every control on that screen to work with the buttons and sticks on your gamepad.

DMX and other show-control features will come much later, after the main gameplay features are completed. But they're my favorite part, so I'll definitely get to them eventually.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by starkparker on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @02:11PM (#34986853)
EmptyEpsilon has support for a bunch of DMX flavors as well as Hue lights and custom control surfaces, as well as an optional exposable API that can run Lua scripts on game state.

Odysseus LARP paired that functionality with a bunch of RPi Zero W-powered hardware puzzles to represent ship systems,[1] so Engineers had to physically tinker with things in order to get systems back up and running after they broke. That included things like going through crawlspaces and ladders to access certain components, digging through a printed manual when computer systems were "down".

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE7j1SgUpKs

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by samplatt on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:20PM (#34991108)
>playing Artemis, was put the "engineering" station in another room, with walkie-talkies so you had to actually "call down to engineering" to ask them to do things

I love this idea for realism (and, tbh, to minimise the 'talking-over-each-other' factor... but for me I'd prefer to be in the same room as my friends. I want to see the smiles and hear the laughter. Without that, engineering would just feel like a job well done.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by midoridensha on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:44PM (#34991277)
The engineers need to be near the warp core and other engineering stuff, not on the bridge. How are they supposed to crawl through Jeffries tubes if they're hanging out with the captain?
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by sgtnoodle on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:22PM (#34991541)
I made a KSP controller about 7 years ago. Even made it to hackaday. http://www.sgtnoodle.com/projects/kerbal-control-panel/

One time we played Artemis in the two mission control rooms at SpaceX. It was nice having professional headsets. My team was winning, until someone on the other team used the IT system to shut down our computers!

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by Apocryphon on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:45PM (#34986584)
Any details about each role’s responsibilities? Curious what’s involved for Tactical.
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:51PM (#34986664)
Very much up in the air at the moment, but it will likely be what you typically find in bridge simulators. For tactical, a beam weapon, a projectile weapon, some kind of point-defense, shields, and a targeting scheme for all of them.

If you want to help guide what's included and how they fit together, I'm happy to entertain proposals in the Github discussions or Discord.

I should add that Thorium Nova will include a lot more inter-ship controls. Things like security officers, system maintenance, medical teams, cargo transfer, power grid distribution - that kind of thing. Adding all of that will effectively double the max-crew size of the typical 6 you see in other bridge sims.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by Apocryphon on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @02:23PM (#34986996)
Could the ship carry fighter wings? :p
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @02:26PM (#34987043)
I'm hoping for it! The engine supports multiple player ships, so if one of those player ships happened to spawn from another player ship, and if that ship happened to be smaller and have a single player station, the engine doesn't really care.
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by bee_rider on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:07PM (#34988358)
Dual seat fighters with a pilot and a weapons officer are also very cool.
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by fknorangesite on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:44PM (#34989385)
If we're not careful this comment section is going to scope creep itself into Star Citizen.
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:05PM (#34989592)
This is why I hesitate to attempt any fundraising. Stretch goals and donor rewards scare me.

Fortunately, the scope of this is significantly less than Star Citizen, since all of the first-person content of the game is supposed to happen in real-life, LARP-style.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by squarefoot on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:56PM (#34990084)
Star Citizen might be too much, what about something like Homeworld?
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by bee_rider on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:30PM (#34991608)
Haha, true.

It might be easy enough to do this sort of thing on the user side anyway, in Artemis Spaceship at least you can of course just use multiple stations if you want. So you just need a ship without too much going on, I think.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by ikiris on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:13PM (#34991912)
Nah this is already far more developed and stable XD
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by japhib on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:13PM (#34988436)
Going to the Christa McAuliffe Space Center is hands-down the best field trip I went on in elementary/middle school. We even went back as high schoolers. This project seems incredible!
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:14PM (#34988449)
psst. If you're still living in the area, they do group missions for adults too. If you've got the time and willing friends, definitely opt for a 5-hour mission. It'll be just as much fun as you remember.
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by ethangarofolo on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:13PM (#34989079)
5-hour mission? Surely something so awesome can't actually exist...
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:03PM (#34989576)
Back in my day, we used to do 17-hour overnight missions, where the crew would have to sleep in ships, since the simulation would continue through the night.

We once did an away mission where the crew was stranded on a remote planet and running out of water. We split the crew, where one half we going to find a viable water source and the other needed to track down a local scientist who had the parts we needed to repair the ship.

After dressing them up in our weirdest costumes, we trekked them outside. The water group were sent to a local convenience store with a couple of dollar bills and told to "act natural" as they picked up some bottled water. I was happy to find that they absolutely did not act normal.

The other group went to a local staff member's house, which had been decorated to look like the scientists laboratory.

Needless to say, the whole experience was quite memorable, and highlights how the computer controls are only part of what makes the simulation fun.

Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by slm_HN on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @07:45PM (#34990473)
Was the program was based on the classic book, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Ship-Simulation-games-no/dp/0918... ?
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by alexanderson on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @07:55PM (#34990543)
I actually only discovered that book a few years ago, but it aligns a lot with my vision. I wrote a short book review on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ralex1993/status/1259560390368694272
Re:Thorium – A Starship Bridge Simulator by drdec on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:29PM (#34990780)
I've done these things in person, they are an absolute blast, so intense. Thanks!