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Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by pjmlp on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:51AM (#34971567)
> Buy AMD cards if you run Linux).

Experience shows that in practice they also aren't much better than Nvidia in regards to Linux.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by krackpot on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:30PM (#34972143)
Is this true? I'm in the market for an AMD card just to switch over to linux. I'm on an old 1080.

Most discussions centered around the various linux communities seem to parrot that AMD is the way to go now because of open source drivers etc. I always wonder how much of it is an echo chamber.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by mardifoufs on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:10PM (#34972659)
It depends. If you are willing to download proprietary drivers from nvidia, it literally just works. Though I'd probably suggest not getting on a rolling release distro, or any distro that is focused on mostly sticking with libre/foss solutions. Ubuntu works great with non free drivers, out of the box, so just use that. Kernel updates might be tricky on some distros, so sticking with more stable releases is preferable in my experience

(I have used AMD and NVIDIA cards, including a 4 GTX1070 cluster a few years back with mostly little issues on both. Also used GCN andRDNA1, and now I use nvidia on ubuntu for work and it just works.)

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by freedomben on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @03:14PM (#34974203)
I run Linux on everything, and have a system with nvidia card and one with AMD, so speaking from real experience rather than echo chamber regurgitation (which is definitely a problem in this space so good to be aware of it). I will go AMD every time for gaming and general dual/triple screen monitors. I would only go Nvidia if I needed CUDA (such as for machine learning).

If you need OpenCL or if you go Nvidia and need the proprietary driver, it will make distros like Fedora (my favorite), Arch, etc a lot more difficult as they stay very current on kernels (which is great for hardware compatibility). Nvidia is better than AMD in this regard if you need the AMD pro then you just won't be able to run Fedora. If you don't mind Ubuntu, then you'll be ok. It's well supported for Nvidia drivers and AMD Pro.

I have been amazed at how well everything "just works" with AMD on Fedora, and for that reason AMD is my default.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by lmm on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @09:28PM (#34978012)
If you want to run Linux and have your system work as nicely as possible, go with NVidia; they write better drivers than AMD and always have done.

(The counterargument is: if you're going to use a proprietary driver why are you switching to Linux at all?)

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by brokenmachine on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @10:51PM (#34978564)
I don't agree with this. I've been using an Ubuntu system for ages with Nvidia and it regularly needs a reinstall of the drivers when it randomly decides to come up in some silly low resolution, like 320x240 or something.

My next linux GPU is AMD.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by lmm on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:10PM (#34978666)
With the first-party NVidia drivers? I've never had that happen or even heard of it happening before now. Admittedly I don't use Ubuntu much, and they sound like the kind of distro that would silently auto-update your kernel or something, which would produce that kind of failure mode? (Which is at least a clean immediate failure on reboot that you can fix immediately, rather than something that crashes in the middle of your session destroying your work - as bad as it is, that still sounds a lot better than my AMD card experience).

Whereas I've used linux on several systems with AMD/ATi cards and they've always been flaky.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by brokenmachine on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @12:31AM (#34979107)
Yes, the .run drivers from Nvidia.

It only happens on a reboot, not while I'm using it, and only maybe once a month, but it's still annoying because I have to ssh in to reinstall the drivers every time.

And here I was all hyped that AMD would be my savior. I hope you're wrong!!

I'll find out for myself the next time I upgrade and I switch the current AMD card that I'm using on my Windows PC into the ubuntu system.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by oynqr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @02:14AM (#34979604)
Using the driver from their site is the number one way to fuck up your system. There has got to be an nvidia package on Ubuntu.
Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by brokenmachine on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:20PM (#34989756)
In my experience the ubuntu nvidia packages were hopeless, I forget exactly what it was but I think even basic stuff like hardware video decoding was not working.

Anyway just basic stuff wasn't working and IIRC the GPU fans would stay at 100% all the time. Just terribly broken.

I'm overall happy with the .run drivers from the site except when they come up at the wrong resolution and need reinstalling as I described.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by lmm on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:51AM (#34981321)
> Yes, the .run drivers from Nvidia.

If you're manually installing them outside of Ubuntu package management then you need to reinstall them every time you upgrade your kernel. (This is a design decision by Linux to make life harder for closed source drivers, there's nothing Nvidia can do about it)

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by freedomben on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:26PM (#34972071)
Yeah sadly agree, depending on what you want. If you want OpenCL, you're absolutely right. The AMD PRO driver is even worse than the Nvidia driver as it only supports old kernels and install process is terrible.
Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by mohaine on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:26PM (#34972079)
I recently switched back from AMD -> Nvidia and couldn't be happier. Other than some issues with an inadvertent install blocking the kernel module it has been pretty much flawless.
Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by silverwasthere on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:47PM (#34972381)
Anything that uses qt will suffer on nvidia.

There are pros and cons of each by radeon will get you a more intel like experience.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by thawkth on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @02:01PM (#34973353)
As a KDE Plasma user on a rolling release bistro, I am happy I switched to AMD!

And yes, I realize how much of a niche I inhabit.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by paulmd on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:25PM (#34978749)
man who use rolling release bistro, hungry for fast food
Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by rektide on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:50PM (#34972419)
I dont feel like I share the same planet with this comment. AMD on Linux is vastly widely better in almost every way. Nvidia is a terrible partner & the binary/closed/proprietary drivers they offer have tons of wrinkles/issues, and whether Nvidia even bothers supporting modern capabilities everyone else agrees on is forever & seemingly always will be in question.

Nvidia's whole role in life seems to be competing against standards. Everyone else heads one way, Nvidia tries to out-compete by making their own. Oh great, there's DLSS support in the new binary driver... FSR only works because AMD did it at a share-able level. FreeDesktop is making GBM? Let's invent EGLStreams & insist on that for a decade. Nvidia has no visible cooperative spirit.

AMD has good drivers, super reliable, worked on by a wide variety of the gaming/computer-graphics industry/world. There's a huge trove of Proton games that run exceedingly well & without fail: proof positive that AMD has the situation down.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by pjmlp on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:30PM (#34972927)
AMD decided that my APU card wasn't worth their time on the new open source driver. fxglr => OpenGL 4.1, AMD new open source driver => OpenGL 3.3, without hardware video acceleration.

Secondly, good luck having a go at any compute framework offering from AMD on Linux, unless working for some research lab doing HPC.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by AstralStorm on Thursday March 02, 2023 @05:28AM (#34994142)
Even with the research lab and elbow grease the thing is hard to use as heck.
Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by mardifoufs on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:05PM (#34972605)
Since when is FSR the standard, or even a standard at all? A part from AMD using it.

Also, in my experience Nvidia works just fine on linux, you just have to install their drivers. I literally never had an issue with them, and I use it professionally and for games. AMD is probably better if you want bleeding edge updates or use a rolling release distro, but the downside is that you still have to contend with some weird driver issues that aren't magically fixed just because the code is open source.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by goosedragons on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @02:24PM (#34973627)
While FSR isn't a standard, AMD at least put effort into getting it working on competing Nvidia cards.

Yes, things mostly work when you install the Nvidia Linux drivers. But even on a Ubuntu LTS I've had updates break the Nvidia driver, sleep is a 50/50 toss up whether it resumes broken too. And that's on my desktop and ignoring the giant PITA of using a laptop with hybrid graphics. Using the Nvidia drivers also greatly complicates using a Libre distro like Debian or Guix because obviously they're non-free. Plus until the past year or so Wayland has just been essentially a non-starter with Nvidia even with drivers because of their choices.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by mardifoufs on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @06:14PM (#34976292)
I agree that you shouldn't use nvidia if you want any distro that prefers libre software. For most regular users it's just fine, except for wayland as you said. I wonder if nvidia has any plans w.r.t wayland support. Everything still works with X but wayland has finally shaped up to probably displace it.
Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by justinclift on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @07:07PM (#34976811)
The one major downside I'm experiencing using an Nvidia card (980 Ti), is sleep/resume not working. eg at resume time the screen rarely powers back on, then the system hard locks with the kernel traceback indicating an nvidia problem

The whole power off/power on thing instead doesn't take all that long, but it would be more convenient to just have a working sleep/resume.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by cpgxiii on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @10:33PM (#34978449)
Some people's planet is graphics-only, and for them AMD is a great choice.

AMD is pretty great on Linux so long as you only ever want graphics. Once you want anything else out of their very-good-on-paper hardware, the experience starts to break down. You have to manually install/uninstall/reinstall their ever-shifting compute driver(s) and which driver you install (and the cadence at which said driver is updated, particularly for newer kernels) depends heavily on the device you have. E.g. I have a 5700XT and W5700, very similar hardware, yet supported by two very different drivers (I'll let you guess which one lags much farther behind - hint, it's for the more expensive card).

In contrast, Nvidia's driver has essentially always worked - I install the same driver on all my systems, and it gets updated frequently enough that it's always compatible with the current Ubuntu kernels. Over a dozen or so machines (personal, not counting work) over the last ~15 years, I've only encountered one or two serious issues with the Nvidia driver stack. Compare that to ~5 AMD machines over the last ~6 years where I've encountered at least one major issue per machine each year with the AMD driver stack.

Re:Nvidia’s latest GPU drivers can upscale old blurry YouTub... by WeylandYutani on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:02AM (#34980262)
You can remove the "tries" Nvidia is outcompeting everyone.

You can hate the company but their products are second to none.