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Re:X12 by oleg_antonyan on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @03:24AM (#34966976)
YMMV. When it reaches the level of X11 that "just works for everyone without preconditions" it will become usable in my coordinate system
Re:X12 by throwawaylinux on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @03:32AM (#34967025)
X11 is not usable for everybody without preconditions though.
Re:X12 by rekoil on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @03:38AM (#34967066)
Exactly, there's hundreds of lines of illegible X configuration for every such "just works" setup.

There's a difference between "the community has learned to deal with it" and "just works".

Re:X12 by kaba0 on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:49PM (#34972409)
I honestly don’t get people, like were these people just extremely lucky and never had to tweak anything? Like, I remember times when I had to blindly log into my user and try to fix my setup from there, purely by muscle memory.
Re:X12 by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @04:52PM (#34975384)
> I honestly don’t get people, like were these people just extremely lucky and never had to tweak anything?

Yeah, that's about how I feel about Wayland. I'm not sure quite why there are two groups of people with such wildly different experiences talking past each other, but I suspect it comes down to what each user wants the software to do and what hardware they're running on.

Re:X12 by saturn_vk on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @03:13PM (#34974192)
I remember in the early 2000s still needing to write to a config file to get X to work on my desktops at the time. Was it 30 years old at that time? I've been running Wayland crash free for a few years already, without the need to touch a single config file. Does that mean it reached better usability at least twice as fast compared to X?
Re:X12 by messe on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @07:54AM (#34981821)
I remember having to tweak Xorg.conf in the late 00s. The X11 xkcd[1] is from 2011.

[1]: https://xkcd.com/963/