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Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by xg15 on Sunday February 26, 2023 @04:50PM (#34949890)
Yup. The right is fuelling the moral panic about trans people while going against abortion rights and contraceptives: https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/21/house-passes-...
Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by tharne on Sunday February 26, 2023 @06:03PM (#34950640)
> Yup. The right is fuelling the moral panic about trans people

I wouldn't call opposition to performing irreversible gender transition procedures on children "moral panic".

Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by xg15 on Sunday February 26, 2023 @06:21PM (#34950808)
Maybe true. But then that concern about irreversible medical procedures somehow results in a complete ban on educating children on gender identity or sexuality at all: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/nati...
Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by panarky on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:34AM (#34954282)
When you conjure a national crisis out of a few very rare examples, that puts members of a vulnerable minority group at risk, with the express purpose to frighten your supporters while dividing your adversaries, so that your side can seize power, that's more than just a "moral panic", it's textbook fascist politics.
Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by red-iron-pine on Monday February 27, 2023 @10:55AM (#34957854)
In the W Bush era it was gays getting married. Terrorists are taking over and gays are gonna shack up and destroy America. Gotta have a foreign and domestic set of enemies to get people riled up about.

But the Overton Window shifted and no one really cares if the gays marry.

Trans people are even fewer than gay people and there may be a number of real, or kinda real, arguments to be had there, such as the wisdom of giving younger kids hormones, or if trans athletes should be allowed to participate in gendered sports leagues. They make a fantastic wedge issue, with the benefit that they're 0.3% of the population -- political footballs, with no chance of actually burning a voting block.

Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by jrm4 on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:06AM (#34970825)
As a (Black) leftie, I really wish the political-internet-left understood this better.

"They want to destroy us!"

No, fam, that's not quite what's happening here. None of them (with power) wake up thinking "trans people are a menace that must be stopped." Now, it may be just as bad - but to them you're just a useful pawn, which requires different tactics from "this is exactly like Nazi Germany."

Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by jrm4 on Monday February 27, 2023 @10:39AM (#34957651)
This is one of those unfortunately effective wedge points that the right exploits. I personally do think that MEDICALLY altering children's growth is an extremely dangerous idea that has to be handled very carefully, and perhaps more carefully than it is now..

..but again, the Right will happily use this tiny point to drive the wedge to say "TRANS IS BAD ALL THE TIME."

Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by tharne on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:50AM (#34971557)
> ..but again, the Right will happily use this tiny point to drive the wedge to say "TRANS IS BAD ALL THE TIME."

I have no doubt that folks on the right will exploit that, but I'd also argue that supporting irreversible transition procedures on children, often against the wishes of the parents, is not a tiny point as you callously put it. It's THE point.

Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by jrm4 on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @10:42PM (#34978510)
Against the wishes of the parents? While I'm not deep into it like that, I'm pretty darn certain that's very much NOT a thing.

(However, I do have therapists in my family, and they do have serious concerns that too many parents are encouraging their kids in this direction)

Re:Wokeness Is Here to Stay – Slavoj ŽIžek by Connor_Creegan on Sunday February 26, 2023 @07:56PM (#34951665)
The liberality of "abortion" and of "gender identity" fundamentally follow from the same misconceptions about sex, so the equivocation is quite warranted.