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Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by mabbo on Sunday February 26, 2023 @08:04AM (#34945204)
Incredibly damning of Microsoft if they were making deals after 2014 to help the Russian aggression against Ukraine.

That they would still be participating in this deal is even worse.

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by perfect_kiss on Sunday February 26, 2023 @08:26AM (#34945350)
Ukraine banned yandex in 2017 for mass data harvesting of Ukrainians, probably that's the main reason why gp did not find it in Ukrainian Bing. It's still possible and perfectly legal to access yandex or other data harvesting engines/disinfo websites over VPN or Tor, so the ban main objective is to protect non-tech-savvy users from the interference of hostile foreign criminals.
Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by somethingreen on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:08AM (#34946571)
Not sure why the downvotes, as, yes, Yandex along with several other russian internet service companies is blocked in Ukraine and it is almost certainly why it is not being set as default, because doing so would straight up break search altogether.
Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by woooooo on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:13AM (#34945675)
Even worse, they've been doing business with the US after the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by somenameforme on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:34AM (#34945832)
If a territory declares its independence in a vote that one believes is genuine, are they still part of their former "owner"? And, if so, why is this arbitrarily true for some regions (geopolitical allies of US) and false for others (geopolitical adversaries of US)?

Western polling agencies almost immediately repeated the polls carried out in Crimea, presumably to debunk them, yet found the exact same numbers as Russia recognized. [1] Russia observed a 97% yes vote with an 83% turnout, so ~82% "yes" if we assume the people who didn't vote would all have voted no. Gallup found in their poll that ~83% of Crimeans felt that the vote "reflected the views of the people."

Some don't seem to know that Crimea has always been majority ethnic Russian in modern history. And before that it was majority Tatar (with Tatarstan now a republic of Russia). Crimea has never been Ukrainian, by ethnicity, ever. We're looking at escalating towards WW3 over something most people cheer on while having absolutely zero knowledge of even the basic facts, thanks to our stupid "information warfare."

[1] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-a...

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by watwut on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:45AM (#34945911)
Russia exporting their military into other countries territory does not count as independence.
Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by somenameforme on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:02AM (#34946050)
And you begging the question. When Ukraine's government was overthrown in 2014, numerous regions declared their independence. It's so absurdly illogical to try to claim that they can't do this, yet "we" (in that the 2014 insurrection was overtly backed by the US) have every right to overthrow their government.

Imagine if the January 6th riots somehow actually did end up driving e.g. Biden out of office. Would states that were aligned with Biden (and opposed to Trump) not thusly have the right to refuse to acknowledge the new government and declare their independence? It seems like a heck of a good reason to me!

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by watwut on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:13AM (#34946135)
That is very manipulative framing and essentially a lie.

That Russia did not managed in 2014 to threaten Ukraine away from western direction is what happened. Russia treated Ujrainian president not to sigh EU membership, Ukrainians revolted. Not an USA coup. And prites against specific rejection of democracy bt president.

Ukraine did not became Belarus in 2014 due to protests which were against Russian meddling. USA proteats were trying to impose autocracy.

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by somenameforme on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:38AM (#34946328)
This [1] is a video of John McCain in the capitol of Ukraine in 2013, shortly before the occasionally violent protests turned into an outright insurrection. He was saying, with minimal sugar coating, "revolt and we'll have your back." Victoria Nuland, currently part of Biden's cabinet, was also there actively agitating protesters.

Imagine this in a parallel world in the US. Where the US is a relatively weak, impoverished, and deeply corrupt nation. And the speaker was from ostensibly the most powerful nation in the world. You'd have brought out every anti-government individual in the country, all with that twinkle of violence in their eyes. Which is exactly what happened.

I don't really think we would have taken these steps if we felt that the protests would have played out as desired without our meddling, because it ruins even the perception of independence. It was just another in the endless line of long US driven coups. That's not to say the Ukrainian people (particularly of Western Ukraine) were happy. But there's a dramatic difference between dissatisfaction, even to the point of occasionally violent protest, and an actual successful insurrection.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by watwut on Monday February 27, 2023 @02:34AM (#34953975)
I am imagining parallel in USA. A politician promises to bring in EU membership and people want it. Then, whole country changes itself to conform and people are happy about it. Then American politician refuses to sign contract due Russian threats. Then there are protests and American cops try to violently suppress them. They fail over months and then Russia invades America.

Meanwhile, some EU politicians says words of support. Well, in this case, EU is good and Russia is still meddling into USA politics.

As for impoverished nations, being in Russia world is becoming more like Belarus or Chechenya. Or more like poor regions of Russia itself. The countries that joined EU are waaay better off then Russia puppet states.

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by somenameforme on Monday February 27, 2023 @10:30AM (#34957522)
But you're not really engaging in good faith here. The "whole country" does not agree, in the least. The parts that are unhappy about having "their" president overthrown declare their independence. The new government refuses to acknowledge these declarations, and tries to forcefully recapture these countries. And we have a Civil War, exactly as happened in Ukraine.

And now the US is happy to push this Civil War to the brink of World War over what would have otherwise been a relatively inconsequential border war. And I think Einstein's quote is quite apt, "I do not know what weapons WW3 will be fought with, but I do know that WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

It's all about as brilliant as WW1 where a Bosnian Serb assassinates an Austro-Hungarian royal and the next thing you know Brits are killing Germans over it, and tens of millions die. And the icing on the cake is the ethnic issues that drove those initial events still exist, more than 100 years later.

Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by IYasha on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:20AM (#34954224)
what aggression?
Re:Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Mo... by prometheon1 on Monday February 27, 2023 @05:53AM (#34955017)