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Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:01PM (#34938799)
iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions.

I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices.

I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by eropple on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:04PM (#34938830)
> iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions.

Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it. I'm considering a phone upgrade, but that's because of the improved camera, not performance (or even battery life).

My old iPhone 8 (2017) is still getting updates, and now is moderately pokey with nontrivial apps, but the OS is fine. And I get it with regards to apps, as the perf and battery improvements between the A11 and the A13 chips was pretty significant.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by jstummbillig on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:18PM (#34939009)
> Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it.

I mean.. that is (on average) roughly 2.5 years old. If your phone was expensive and is still fairly new, then it's not going to be affected by the stuff that pertains old, mid-tier phones, before it gets even older than those.

That's not an Apple/iPhone property but I find it fascinating, that they are able to sell it as such.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by eropple on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:25PM (#34939082)
I bought mine at release, to replace an iPhone 6 (which itself replaced an Android device of higher spec because I was tired of the treadmill and a friend sold it to me used). So mine's closer to 3.5 years old than to 2.5.

And when you slot that against Android options, 3.5 years is a lot for a usable, secure life of a mobile device. I can safely assume I'll get five years of good, secure perf out of any Apple device from the last five years and another 2-3 years (at minimum) of tolerable performance, and that's pretty hard to argue with in this market.

Don't get me wrong, it's not enough and I'd like it to be better; I'd like all hardware reusability to be better. I'm pretty big on it; I still have an iPad 3 and a Nexus 7 in use as house kiosks (which sidesteps the security issue that phones necessarily have). But if I am maximizing useful life, buying Apple devices has been less fraught for most, if not all, of my adult life.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:15PM (#34938981)
I wasn't talking about the modern ones, naturally they still aren't old enough to suffer from that.

As you tell yourself, the iPhone 8 isn't its former self with its original iOS version.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by eropple on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:20PM (#34939028)
It's also six years old and where it's pokey tends to be apps, not the OS. The browser, mostly. Turns out we all like to write a lot of JavaScript, I guess?

Even if that weren't the case, a six-year-old iPhone 8 has out-survived the useful, secure life of, what, every Android device not made directly by Google? Hell, a 3.5-year-old iPhone 11 has out-survived the useful, secure life of the overwhelming majority of Android devices, too. And, further, given that A11->A13 was the most significant period of perf improvement and energy reductions (the A14/A15 are moderately faster but the tail certainly appears to be here), that bodes well for its continuing usefulness.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:41PM (#34939226)
80% of the world doesn't care about those performance enhancements at the price of a laptop replacement.

Apps or OS doesn't matter, they are interwined.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by eropple on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:54PM (#34940353)
I have bad news for you about the performance of flagship Android devices from 2017, man.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Sunday February 26, 2023 @02:52AM (#34943858)
I am all ears, given the devices I have around here.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by irowe on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:20PM (#34939022)
I’m now to the point where I frequently have first party apps crash on my iPhone 7, plus the screen has phantom touch issues. I really don’t want to replace it though.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by paulmd on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:04PM (#34941353)
See my comments elsewhere but this is handset damage (flash and DRAM wear and battery performance leading to processor throttling) and would go away if you had your handset replaced with another 7. It's not the hardware spec that's the problem, it's your particular unit.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by irowe on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:59PM (#34942039)
You're definitely right that some of the slowdown is due to physical wear. I have had the battery replaced once, about 2 years ago back when Apple was offering it at a reduced price, but it's back to "significantly degraded" status. I have a hard time thinking that the system software load increasing over time doesn't also have a significant impact, though.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by tuetuopay on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:07PM (#34938866)
Well I'm happy to have a bit slower phone to be able to use it fully for 7 years, with all security updates and current apps (again, with their respective security updates).

Did you actually daily drive one? Because I did use an iPhone 6S for its full software support span (7 years) and yes, by the end of 2022 it was definitely the fastest kid on the block. But to run messaging apps, play music, grab quick pictures and scroll memes in the subway, it's more than fine.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:18PM (#34939015)
When doing projects on Apple ecosystem, yep.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by crazygringo on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:28PM (#34939119)
They really don't.

IIRC, there was only one prominent case of that happening (slowing down noticeably), I think it was iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 but I might be wrong about that. And I think they fixed it a bunch in 7.1, so it wasn't even for that long.

But ever since then Apple really hasn't pushed updates that slow the phone meaningfully. Instead they gatekeep new features to newer models that can support it, which makes sense.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:10PM (#34938903)
So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long.

Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by dageshi on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:14PM (#34938951)
Given androids market share vs iphone... the majority are indeed taking a phone with no updates over a slower phone.

As long as the apps they use work ok I'm not sure the majority cares about updates security or otherwise.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:18PM (#34939007)
I mean, no. Their market share says nothing about people’s wants and needs on this topic, it just means that on the whole the Android package is more appealing. Which could be for many reasons, of which price is going to be the biggest.

If people could choose a longer period of updates, I don’t really expect any to refuse.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by dageshi on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:19PM (#34939564)
You don't get longer updates without increasing the price. If people did really care about updates outside of HN it would be a marketing feature.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:21PM (#34939583)
The fact that Android phone releases (like the one we’re commenting on right now) generally announce the supported feature and security updates indicates that it very much is one already, at least on the Android side.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by bmacho on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:11PM (#34938919)
Why not? A phone that has no updates, functional or security still can do a lot of things very well.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:15PM (#34938977)
It’s also a massive security risk.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by flykespice on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:26PM (#34939093)
How often do you run into security riskd when using your phone everyday?
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:29PM (#34939128)
Considering the increase of putting your entire life into your phone, your phone’s security should honestly be among those you care about the most.

Most people will access all facets of their life on their phone, from social, to financial, to work. If anything, the risk is only going to increase as time goes on.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by serf on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:08PM (#34939460)
Would you know what to count? Most wouldn't.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by flykespice on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:59PM (#34941327)
First is common sense, computer viruses is a so common knowledge thing that scares many people, even my parents who are dummy on technology fears them and avoid suspicous sites and malwares from unknown sources, same thing carries for apps (ie. don't install from second sources)

Second is even if an android version lagging behing on security features from later versions, play store enforce enough harsh policies on app submissions requiring access to external data and collect user data, that you can trust most of it. Sure some apps can slip under their radar but play store bots can eventually catch up to them.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:17PM (#34939002)
It is no different from how feature phones and smartphones used to be.

Only rich people care about iPhones, or those that buy everything on credit.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:21PM (#34939034)
Or, you know, those that want their phones supported for longer than two years.

Minimizing a group of people does nothing but stroke your own ego. There are many reasons to buy an iPhone. There are many reasons to buy an Android. Buying one or the other says nothing about you as a person and implying otherwise is absurd and childish.

We’re not on Reddit; this is supposed to be adults having conversations not preteen fanboys blindly worshipping a mobile OS.

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:44PM (#34939249)
Who is worshipping iOS here then?
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by mynameisvlad on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:56PM (#34939343)
Nobody. Did you even read the comment you replied to? The one that says there are reasons to buy each OS? Pointing out a clear advantage is not worshipping, it’s just pointing out a clear advantage.

Price is a clear advantage for Android phones. Does that make me an Android worshipper now?

Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by qwytw on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:24PM (#34939072)
After a couple of OS updates any iPhone is still faster than an average Android phone sold at the time.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by thrashh on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:07PM (#34938862)
I was using an iPhone 10 with the latest iOS versions until last week and didn’t have any issues
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:18PM (#34939010)
Now try the same with an iPhone 5.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by system16 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:19PM (#34941841)
If we are going back to 2012, how are the Nexus 4 and Samsung Galaxy S3 holding up compared to current Android phones?
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by pjmlp on Sunday February 26, 2023 @02:56AM (#34943879)
It was a random model, as iPhone 11, released in 2019 wasn't what I consider old, rather those on their last update legs.
Re:Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone by system16 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:10PM (#34939479)
My experience does not align with this at all. I've been using an iPhone XS for nearly 5 years. Other than wishing it had a more powerful camera, I haven't felt the need to get a new phone at all. Sure, it's not as snappy as my wife's brand new iPhone 14 Pro, but I can easily live with it for another year or two.