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Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by londons_explore on Friday February 24, 2023 @07:58AM (#34924012)
> Our company is using a very big chunk of our ad words budget targeting our own brand name to make sure it's on top.

You shouldn't need to do this. Googles ad auction on search multiplies your bid by a quality score when deciding which ad to show. A site that satisfies what the user is looking for will have a high quality score, whereas the 'wrong' site (ie. one for a competitor) will have a low quality score - partly determined by the user clicking the back button when they find they have been misled.

That means that if your competitors are pumping $100 into becoming the top search result, you perhaps only need to put $1 into getting the same ad spot.

If you are finding that not to be true, then it might be because your site is low quality for some reason (for example, maybe it doesn't load for some users in some browsers), or maybe your site doesn't have the info people are looking for when they search your company name.

Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by tjbiddle on Friday February 24, 2023 @08:26AM (#34924237)
I'd agree on this.

For a while I'd bid on the names of competitors (Not being scammy - just trying to win the #1 result placement); however, I found I was spending a bunch with basically zero conversions because - I assume, if someone is searching for something, they're expecting that something, so when they click it and realize it's not - they just exit.

On the other hand, bidding my own name: pennies.

Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by ryandrake on Friday February 24, 2023 @12:11PM (#34926841)
> Not being scammy - just trying to win the #1 result placement

From the end user's point of view, how is "win the #1 result placement" for a competitor's name not a blatant scam?

Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by tjbiddle on Friday February 24, 2023 @10:19PM (#34933480)
Scammy would be pretending to be the other brand.

It's the difference between bidding on the keyword BrandX when my company is ABCBrand with an ad that says:

"Come shop at BrandX" .. when it's going to my ABCBrand, and possibly even having a landing page pretending to be BrandX

vs.

"Come shop at ABCBrand" ... and going to my ABCBrand, as it should.

Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by iconosynclast on Friday February 24, 2023 @08:06AM (#34924067)
This doesn't seem to work very well at all. I frequently search for a particular vendor of something by name only to be served another similar vendor as the top result. It feels like it should be doable to serve these results in some sort of "you may also like these similar vendors" box or something like that which would massively improve the user experience
Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by londons_explore on Friday February 24, 2023 @08:21AM (#34924197)
It doesn't work if the real company isn't an advertiser, or if they are an advertiser but aren't in this auction due to their targeting rules or being out of budget.
Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by epberry on Friday February 24, 2023 @08:41AM (#34924382)
Appreciate these insights. I'm just getting into setting this up for my company.
Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by AlexandrB on Friday February 24, 2023 @08:55AM (#34924505)
Seeing an ad for another vendor is bad. Seeing an ad that looks like what you searched for but is actually malware[1] is worse.

[1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-abuse...

Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by SecretDreams on Friday February 24, 2023 @08:34AM (#34924312)
Maybe this was the case before, but it certainly feels less like this now. Auto OEM ads are the biggest offenders.

I can plug OEM 1 + Model1 and get two to three ads for OEM2/3/4 before I get the result I was looking for.

Re:“find a way to be a predatory squatter on a chokepoint” –... by shadowgovt on Friday February 24, 2023 @10:54AM (#34925750)
The same rules that allow scammers to look like a legit result allow smaller firms to compete with the Best Buys and Targets of the world by advertising their local outfits on searches for "Best Buy" and "Target." Without that allowance, organic search degenerates into a winner-take-all system and one of two things happens: (a) small places are just locked out of search traffic, (b) they invest that money in SEO instead of ads and the organic results get worse as people try and trick Google into thinking their site is Best Buy or Target.

There should be a solution to the problem of the scammers. Banning advertising being allowed to show up on someone else's organic search results ain't it.