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Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by mparnisari on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:26PM (#34913544)
"the layoffs is taking place"

i'm no English expert, but I can't take seriously an article with grammar errors :/

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by emodendroket on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:35PM (#34913711)
A single editing mistake makes the whole article beneath notice?
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by chimeracoder on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:38PM (#34913745)
> "the layoffs is taking place"

> i'm no English expert, but I can't take seriously an article with grammar errors :/

It's arguably a regional/dialect distinction. Here "layoffs" is being treated as a collective noun, similar to how people say "the data is" instead of "the data are". Notice how people usually say "layoffs" when referring to the entire round.

English has less dialectal variation than most languages, so English speakers (particularly educated British or American speakers) aren't used to seeing it, but collectivization of nouns is one of the more common ones to spot. If you pay attention, you'll start seeing other examples here and there.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by glibby on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:10PM (#34914202)
I believe the rule of using "are" when following a noun that ends with "s" still applies though. eg. "the vertices are" but "the collective is".

I can't think of a collective noun that ends in S that I would follow with "is".

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by chimeracoder on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:18PM (#34914306)
> I believe the rule of using "are" when following a noun that ends with "s" still applies though

Rules are dialect-dependent, though (or a better way to frame it: "rules" are observations about clusters which are used to define a dialect).

> I can't think of a collective noun that ends in S that I would follow with "is".

Sure, in the forms of American and British English that most HN readers are used to, there may not be any. That isn't universal, though.

There's a related phenomenon which may be more familiar to you: some English speakers will use a possessive form even when no possessive is being conveyed semantically, eg: "I'm going to Burger King's", or "Wal-Mart's is a good store". This particular one is fairly well-documented.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by twelve40 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:41PM (#34914607)
> "I'm going to Burger King's"

pretty sure this is also incorrect and something to be avoided in print, no?

"data" vs "datum" is pretty obscure. While an outfit like the New York Times may know the difference, I doubt that most people even know that "data" is always plural, since its forms are not even coming from English.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by dahfizz on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:33PM (#34914502)
> some English speakers will use a possessive form even when no possessive is being conveyed semantically, eg: "I'm going to Burger King's", or "Wal-Mart's is a good store".

I might type "walmart's a good store" in an informal setting (not as a possessive, but as a contraction for "walmart is"), but no American / British newspaper article would let that through. Its against the rules of english grammar.

I'm curious whether kids in Indian primary school are taught that "the layoffs is" is correct grammar, or whether its just a common mistake (like walmart's).

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by metalliqaz on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:12PM (#34914231)
"in hospital"
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by moosedev on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:04PM (#34914881)
Without commenting on the correctness of the English in the article, which I didn't finish reading: when I moved to the US as a Brit, I was amused by many commercials' use of "a savings" to describe the effect of a sale or discount (e.g. "a 20% Savings!")

In this case, the collective noun "savings" is used with the singular article "a". This one shows up in both spoken and written American English.

Obviously, I can point intellectually to how and why it's correct, but it still sounds somehow weird and a bit folksy to this immigrant :)

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by vyskocilm on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:30PM (#34913609)
All your layoffs are belong to us.
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by CydeWeys on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:55PM (#34913977)
It's an Indian newspaper. Indian English is just about as different from American English as it's possible to get.
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by dahfizz on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:24PM (#34914399)
That's interesting. Are they taught in Indian primary school that "the layoffs is" is correct?
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by cscurmudgeon on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:52PM (#34914734)
No. Even in Indian English, this is not correct.
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by chimeracoder on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:21PM (#34914359)
> Indian English is just about as different from American English as it's possible to get.

Hardly. Indian English is not even very different from some dialects of British English (just not the one British dialect that most non-Brits are used to). Even many of the features that people commonly associate with Indian English are actually taken from British English and still present in present-day British dialects (again, just not the one that most non-Brits are familiar with).

There are other dialects of English that are far more different from Standard American English, to the point where an American speaker will have trouble understanding them altogether, as opposed to being able to understand the meaning correctly albeit with noticeable distinctions.

But you're right that there's a good chance that this is a dialect difference.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by CydeWeys on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:13PM (#34915834)
Indian English has lots of loanwords from Indian languages in it. That's the biggest difference I'm referring to. Try reading any Indian finance news without knowing what lakh, crore, and lakh crore mean, for example.
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by scottyah on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:59PM (#34914816)
How does it compare to Scottish English or Jamaican Patois? Those seem like a different language to me
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by optimalsolver on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:59PM (#34916388)
If you asked a Jamaican to pass you the "beer can", they might hand you pork rashes. :-D
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by eCa on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:19PM (#34914325)
> i’m

The issue with critizising someones grammer are that it always slips in an error or two.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by ChicagoBoy11 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:22PM (#34914372)
I see what you did there. Well played.
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:52PM (#34914727)
I will never understand why some people are so quick to dismiss everything because they spot a grammar mistake.

Nothing is perfect. Get over it.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by _gabe_ on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:41PM (#34915389)
I typically don't mind if there's a small grammatical errors every few pages. But if the sentence structure is consistently confusing, and there are several glaring mistakes, it usually signals to me that the author didn't care enough to proofread/edit their own writing. If the author doesn't care why should I?
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by skeeter2020 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:33PM (#34915263)
The human mind is engineered to be lazy though; we're hard-wired to look for short cuts and proof reading === quality isn't a terrible one. Why do you think we still have resumes, or equate a university degree with ability to program computers?
Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:38PM (#34915333)
> Why do you think we still have resumes

As opposed to what? People just showing up to interviews unannounced?

> or equate a university degree with ability to program computers?

Most of the really successful tech companies are doing this to a small degree. You're at a pretty big advantage if you try to get an early internship at FAANG if you went to Harvard or Stanford or whatnot - and you probably should be (and this is coming from someone who believes strongly those universities are mostly a waste).

The unis already did the hard work of sifting through students to find ones who are willing to work 100x more than necessary just to get into a slightly better school. If you're FAANG, that's sort of who you want to hire for a tech internship, and eventually take advantage of with an underpaying salary for namebrand recognition upon graduation.

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by infamouscow on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:29PM (#34915207)
Stupidity.* It takes far less energy to dismiss something for a cosmetic, surface level error, than to engage in the merits of the discussion.

*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww47bR86wSc

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by Taywee on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:04PM (#34915733)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

> Muphry's law is an adage that states: "If you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written."[1] The name is a deliberate misspelling of "Murphy's law".

Re:TikTok-owner ByteDance planning to layoff thousands in co... by tdiggity on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:37PM (#34915324)
it is very human.