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Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by phkahler on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:12AM (#34877348)
I would say owning your home free and clear is a prerequisite to retire. Rent or payments on debt are often our biggest expenses. Retirement is possible only when passive income is enough to cover expenses.
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by davidgay on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:16AM (#34877381)
> I would say owning your home free and clear is a prerequisite to retire.

People in countries like Switzerland with a high percentage of renters (58%) somehow manage to retire...

Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by jacquesm on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:43AM (#34878026)
Switzerland being one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a very good social setup may have something to do with that. In quite a few countries your whole social security payment and then some would be eaten up by rent if you're still renting at that point. Hence the existence of trailer parks and such niceties in other parts of the world.
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by americafun on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:18AM (#34877398)
Hum, no?

I would say a prerequisite for safe retirement is to have enough to buy a home outright in cash, otherwise mortgages will weigh you down like a stone:6% interest on a 1 million gbp loan in the UK is unpayable for majority of people even in London and yet you wont find anything worth buying there below that price.

Also we should stop saying a house has equity: it doesn't. You are a paying off a loan for a commodity. A house is like a car or groceries: necessary, yes, but not an investment, unless its luxury. This is how we exploded house prices.

Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by Thorrez on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:58AM (#34877658)
Your first line sounds like you're disagreeing with phkahler, but the rest of your comment sounds like you're agreeing with phkahler.

Both of you say a mortgage is unacceptable.

Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by jacquesm on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:44AM (#34878032)
A house is equity once you've started paying down on the principal and the home is not 'under water'. Until then it is a liability.
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by xupybd on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @03:13AM (#34878231)
Assets that increase in value over time are investments. Regardless of their utility.

Equity is simply the assets you hold. You can have equity in a car or groceries only it will disappear quickly if you don't sell the car or groceries.

Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by HyperSane on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:15AM (#34877378)
It might be possible someone is using home equity loan for leverage.
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by jacquesm on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:45AM (#34878034)
You can do that, but if your bets don't pay off you'll be in a deeper hole than before.
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by bagacrap on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:15AM (#34877374)
huh? why is it impossible for passive income to cover a mortgage?
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by stkdump on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:29AM (#34877475)
Or, hear me out, a pension.
Re:You Need at Least $3M in Savings to Live Comfortably in R... by phkahler on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @06:47AM (#34894318)
>> huh? why is it impossible for passive income to cover a mortgage?

It's not, but that's a level of passive income that most Americans can not achieve. I suspect it's also structurally impossible for everyone to get there, but yes some individuals can do it.