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Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by inglor_cz on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:10AM (#34856122)
I certainly do believe that there will be initiatives, but I am really curious about their results.

One of the necessities is cheap access to the orbit, and I just cannot see the national behemoth space agencies developing economic, reusable rockets. The traditional rocket industry in the US was unable to do that either.

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by hypertele-Xii on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:23AM (#34856210)
You know you're living far into the future when you hear "traditional rocket industry" said unironically.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by inglor_cz on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:30AM (#34856270)
Well, solid-fuel rockets are a pretty old tech (medieval China) and even if we restrict ourselves to liquid-fueled rockets that crossed the Kármán line, the first German A-4 did so several years before the transistor was invented :)
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by baq on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:17AM (#34856162)
Oh I agree. But now the situation is quite different: the impractical became necessary, both in cheap launch capacity and leo comms infrastructure. They must make it happen.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by PartiallyTyped on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:19AM (#34856182)
I think it's similar to the sub-5 minute mile in the sense that once something is shown as possible, others will achieve it as well.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by inglor_cz on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:24AM (#34856218)
It is also possible to land on the Moon, we know that. But no one else tried for more than 50 years.

The barriers to becoming an agile space company are formidable. When looking at SpaceX, we forget how many space startups from that period are now defunct and forgotten. John Carmack founded one, too; it is gone.

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by peterfirefly on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:38AM (#34856317)
Carmack's was very much a part-time venture. It was interesting to read their blog and watch their videos. It was clear that they were very good at certain things (code + welding) and not very good at others (electronics, fire-proofing, planning, testing, finite element analysis, any kind of simulation that Carmack didn't write).

An interesting fact is that they did very well as long as they could conduct cheap tests very often. As their rockets got bigger, they could no longer do that and then they floundered.

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by PartiallyTyped on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:48AM (#34856387)
> But no one else tried for more than 50 years.

Was there a good enough reason to go again?

In contrast, there is a good reason to have re-usable rockets and quick deployment now.

Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by inglor_cz on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:00AM (#34856475)
This is a good argument.
Re:IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink by Vespasian on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:57AM (#34856444)
I think it's because the moon has no immediate benefit besides

Star-Link and reusable rockets now have tremendous military uses which are being demonstrated in Ukraine.

Monetary concerns will take a back seat to that.