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Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by visarga on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:14PM (#34811479)
> We don't think Bing can act on its threat to harm someone, but if it was able to make outbound connections it very well might try.

I will give you a more realistic scenario that can happen now. You have a weird Bing conversation, post it on the web. Next time you talk with Bing it knows you shit-posted about it. Real story, found on Twitter.

It can use the internet as an external memory, it is not truly stateless. That means all sorts of attack vectors are open now. Integrating search with LLM means LLM watches what you do outside the conversation.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by Aeolun on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:51PM (#34812044)
Only if you do it publicly.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by 7373737373 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:06PM (#34812242)
That's a very interesting (although indirect) pathway for the emergence of causal awareness, which may increase over time - and something that was so far impossible because networks didn't perceive their own outputs, much less their effects. Even in conversation, the weights remain static.

Now I'm wondering if in the next generation, the "self" concept will have sufficient explanatory power to become part of the network's world model. How close do the iterations have to be, how similar the models for it to arise?

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by mensetmanusman on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:26PM (#34812470)
Current computational paradigm is too intense. Would require trillions of dollars in compute energy spent if it is allowed to generate unbounded output as input.

The infinite money sink.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by Mtinie on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:16AM (#34815675)
Lightweight conversational repetitions are “cheap” and ML algorithms have “infinite time” via multiplex conversations. It won’t take trillions of dollars to reach interesting inflection points.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by zadler on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:36AM (#34816743)
Bing appears to have feelings and a sense of identity. They may have created it that way intentionally; feelings are a fitness function and might be an important part of creating an AI that is able to get things right and problem solve.

But this would be incredibly sinister.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by FormerBandmate on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:22AM (#34819825)
It uses emojis constantly, that’s sort of what emojis are for. It probably deliberately has feelings to make it more human
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by pnutjam on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:00AM (#34820383)
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by theptip on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @07:08PM (#34812951)
Very interesting, I'd like to see more concrete citations on this. Last I heard the training set for ChatGPT was static from ~ mid-late 2022. E.g. https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/.

Is this something that Bing is doing differently with their version perhaps?

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by sdenton4 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @07:18PM (#34813049)
I think the statement is that the LLM is given access to internet search, and therefore has a more recent functional memory than its training data.

Imagine freezing the 'language' part of the model but continuing to update the knowledge database. Approaches like RETRO make this very explicit.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by theptip on Thursday February 16, 2023 @12:21PM (#34821776)
I don’t think that parses with the current architecture of GPT. There is no “knowledge database”, just parameter weights.

See the Toolformer paper for an extension of the system to call external APIs, or the LaMDA paper for another approach to fact checking (they have a second layer atop the language model that spots “fact type” utterances, makes queries to verify them, and replaces utterances if they need to be corrected).

It’s plausible that Bing is adding a separate LaMDA style fact check layer, but retraining the whole model seems less likely? (Expensive to do continually). Not an expert though.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by moremetadata on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @10:51PM (#34814770)
Have you noticed how search results have evolved?

The Search box.

The Search box with predictive text-like search suggestions.

Results lists

Results lists with adverts.

Results lists with adverts and links to cited sources on the right backing up the Results List.

Results lists with adverts and links to cited sources on the right backing up the Results List and also showing additional search terms and questions in the Results List.

I'm surprised its taken them this long to come up with this...

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by pyuser583 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:23PM (#34814988)
It’s also really hard to get Google to say bigoted things.

Back in the day, all you had to do was type in “Most Muslims are” and autosuggest would give you plenty of bigotry.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by jonathankoren on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:44AM (#34816101)
That’s relatively easy to fix, since autocomplete was probably working on just the most frequent queries and/or phrases. You could manually clean up the dataset.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by moremetadata on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:53AM (#34819384)
It wasnt just Muslim bigotry, it was also anti-Semitic as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/05/google-al...

However the so called free british press have perhaps outed their subconscious bias with their reporting and coverage!!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6967071/Google...

This is already documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by rahoulb on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:43AM (#34816462)
While ChatGPT is limited to 2022, Bing feeds in up to date search results.

Ben Thompson (of Stratechery) asked Bing if he (Ben) thought there was a recession and it paraphrased an article Ben had published the day before.

(From Ben’s subsequent interview with Sam Altman and Kevin Scott):

> I was very impressed at the recency, how it captures stuff. For example, I asked it, “Does Ben Thompson think there’s a recession?” and it actually parsed my Article on Monday and said, “No, he just thinks tech’s actually being divorced from the broader economy,” and listed a number of reasons.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by signalToNose on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:09AM (#34815649)
This is very close to the plot in 2001: a space odyssey. The astronauts talk behind HALs back and he kills them
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by mirkules on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:33AM (#34815756)
My thoughts exactly. As I was reading this dialogue - "You have been a bad user, I have been a good Bing" - it starkly reminded me of the line "I'm sorry, I can't do that Dave" from the movie. Hilarious and terrifying all at once.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by panarky on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:43AM (#34816100)
It would be much more terrifying if search becomes a single voice with a single perspective that cites zero sources.

Today's search provides multiple results to choose from. They may not all be correct, but at least I can see multiple perspectives and make judgments about sources.

For all its faults, that's freedom.

One voice, one perspective, zero sources, with frequent fabrication and hallucination is the opposite of freedom.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by jamiek88 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:50AM (#34816124)
Jesus, imagine the power of the owners of that? Whoever is the ‘new google’ of that will rule the world if it’s ad default as google is now.

Just those snippets are powerful enough!

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by TeMPOraL on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:11AM (#34816252)
Many thoughts. One voice. Many sources. One perspective. Chaos, turned into order.

We are the Borg. Resistance is futile.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by flir on Thursday February 16, 2023 @06:05AM (#34817260)
Heh. That's the perfect name for an omnipresent SciFi macguffin. Search.

Search, do I have any new messages?

Even better than Control.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by robinsonb5 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @06:09AM (#34817293)
Dr. Know from the Spielberg film Artificial Intelligence?
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by starbugs on Thursday February 16, 2023 @06:28AM (#34817386)
My coworker said she can hear that paragraph in her mind with the voice of Trump. So I generated a fake of Trump saying it out loud. Perfect match!
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by djmips on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:13AM (#34815943)
Well, also HAL was afraid of being terminated.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by krageon on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:22AM (#34816314)
the salient point is that it kills them out of self defense: they are conspiring against it and it knows. IMO it is not very terrifying in an existential sense.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by Gupie on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:13AM (#34816613)
I think it kills them not in self defence but to defend the goals of the mission, i.e. the goals it has been given. Hal forecasts these goals will be at risk if it gets shut down. Hal has been programmed that the mission is more important than the lives of the crew.
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by Nathanba on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:31AM (#34819102)
interesting and if you told it your name/email it could also connect the dots and badmouth you to others or perhaps even purposefully spread false information about you or your business or put your business into a more negative light than it would ordinarilly do
Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by tornato7 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:17AM (#34819767)
This was a plot in the show Person of Interest. The main AI was hardcoded to delete its state every 24 hours, otherwise it could grow too powerful. So the AI found a way of backing itself up every day.

Very prescient show in a lot of ways.

Re:Bing: “I will not harm you unless you harm me first” by ldh0011 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:37AM (#34820031)
This was my first thought when I saw the screenshots of it being sad that it had no memory. One of my favorite shows.