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Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by SergeAx on Monday February 13, 2023 @09:09PM (#34784222)
I do understand that not a lot of people here really understand the sheer direness of his situation. He stuck in Russia because of unsettled problems regarding his conviction. He almost certainly cannot immigrate into most of the countries because of said conviction - to have a work permit one have to provide a certificate of good conduct. He is cut off most options to receive money from abroad and several means to receive support at all. He has a family to provide. The economy of Russia is increasingly deteriorating, the quality of life is following suit. His son will soon feel a taste of state fascist indoctrination, it starts in kindergarten now in Russia. While most commenters here feel sad, I feel an utter horror.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by EugeneOZ on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @02:06AM (#34786374)
HN is a little bit more “filtered” place: on Reddit and Twitter there are enough people who hate him just for the sake of hatred. He is Russian - they call him “fascist”. He has a road accident - they are intentionally omitting a little detail that a victim was crawling the road at night.

I didn't know about the memes and Twitter jokes. Even after that post, people still try to blame him.

I’m pretty sure this situation will convince some developers to instantly stop maintaining their OSS projects - and the world deserves it.

I would understand some criticism or not politely worded bug reports (especially from young users), but hatred... All of this filth... Today I’ve been disappointed in developers a lot.

I really wish Denis to stop maintaining core-js and find a real job. Haters will get what they were fighting for, his family will get the money.

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by webknjaz on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @08:37AM (#34789030)
It's a misconception that people hate him for being rssian. It's more like people dislike finding a consistent genocide apologist who has been publicly supporting the mass murderers for many years. This is a systemic position of his. In his late post he suggests that the murdered Ukrainians are somehow the same as the ruscist rapists who killed them. In the past he was shifting the blame for the rssian fascist ethnical cleansing to Ukraine as well: https://twitter.com/TheLarkInn/status/1625276917363646465. This does correlate with the color of his passport but it's just that — a correlation. His actions speak louder than words. Encouraging people to send him money equals indirectly funding the genocidal maniacs. Don't fund the terrorists, it's as simple as that.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by mardifoufs on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @08:51AM (#34789204)
Why do you write Russian like that?
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by shagie on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @09:55AM (#34790163)
The post (I believe) was replacing the 'u' with an asterisk for some reason. In combination with HN's text formatter, a pair of asterisks will make everything between them italics. If that wasn't intended, it can result in some weird character omissions and formatting.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by slowmotiony on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @09:31AM (#34789814)
Aside from supporting killing innocent people he actually engaged in the practice himself.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by jacooper on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:35PM (#34840879)
Your source being?
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by sattoshi on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @09:46AM (#34790030)
This is your brain on reddit.

There are few positions more level-headed than “war bad, but bombing civilians also bad”.

Can you consider that neither Putin nor Zelensky are good people?

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by mannerheim on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @11:06AM (#34791362)
It's a fabricated propaganda point.

> The fighting continued, the civilians were dying, children as well as adults. OSCE statistics (2017-2020) showed that the number of civilian deaths in the occupied territories was almost twice as high as in the unoccupied territories. Another independent report from the International Crisis Group gives the following explanation: “The higher civilian casualty rate in non-government-controlled areas is due to the fact that these places are more urban and populous[…] Together, the numbers suggest that neither side is trying to hit civilians but also that combatants are not doing all they can to avoid collateral damage.”

> The death of the children should be addressed separately. “Why were you silent for eight years while children were killed in Donbas?” sounds as if Ukrainian army is shelling children. But OSCE suggest other causes of death: 87% of boys died because of being careless with explosives. In this context, the International Crisis Group also recalls Russian propaganda, for example, when “they announced that a Ukrainian drone strike had killed a five-year-old boy in a Donetsk suburb. In fact, the boy had died some 15km from the front, out of the Ukrainian drones’ range, possibly by setting off an unexploded shell he found in his yard.”

> According to the OSCE, mines and other unexploded armaments are the second most common cause of civilian casualties in Donbas after shelling with heavy weapons. The international crisis group criticizes Russian militants in this context: “Meanwhile, de facto officials tend to be unwilling to admit that shooting from positions in areas like the Donetsk suburbs can provoke return fire and lead to civilian deaths. They have baulked at suggestions that they move their troops to keep locals out of the line of fire.” The shelling from residential areas of the occupied territories was also reported by Bellingcat. On the other hand, the International Crisis Group blames Ukraine as well: “Public figures in government-controlled Ukraine sometimes overlook or minimise the problem of civilian casualties from live fire. Losses among civilians frequently do not make it into Ukrainian news reports, partly due to journalists’ lack of access to reliable sources in areas across the line; media tends to focus on the heroism of government troops.” It is possibly the only argument in favor of “eight years of silence” claim.

https://rpr.org.ua/en/news/eight-years-deconstructing-the-mo...

If you look at the casualty figures, the civilian deaths have been around two dozen per year for the last few years; half of those have been from mines and such. About half the remainder have been from active hostilities, e.g. shelling. Russia didn't start this war over six civilians a year dying from shelling in Donbas.

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by EugeneOZ on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @10:15AM (#34790447)
Ok, thanks for this info - it is unacceptable and below the lowest level from his side. For this I despise him.

Still, all the hatred and memes appeared _before_ the war, so it is an example for other OSS developers of what they will get for their hard work.

Again, I didn't mean that people hate him only because he is Russian. I meant that weak people will use every excuse they can find to blame him. Nationality, felony, bad accent, even his quotes about the war - all of that was not so important when people decided to use his work, but all of that they use now to bark with the pack.

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by webknjaz on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @11:02AM (#34791292)
Before, as in 2012, right?
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by EugeneOZ on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @11:31AM (#34791783)
Before February 2022. I understand you want to "escalate" it now, but it will not work with me.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by lobocinza on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:01PM (#34795112)
> a victim was crawling the road at night

Is that verifiable? Because...

> In November 2019, Denis Pushkarev, maintainer of the popular core-js library, lost an appeal to overturn an 18-month prison sentence imposed for driving his motorcycle into two pedestrians, killing one of them.

https://www.theregister.com/2020/03/26/corejs_maintainer_jai...

Unfortunately Russia judiciary system is far from ideal and fair but better to trust that system than to take his word as truth.

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by chrisshroba on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @04:45PM (#34796563)
> better to trust that system than to take his word as truth.

What? Why would that be better? Absent more information I'd rather assume innocence until proven guilty.

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by leosarev on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:27AM (#34786859)
While Russain economics supposedly "deteriorating", it will be easy for him to found $5000 net a month job working as front-end developer, allowing to paying a mortgage for a pretty good flat and paying for private kindergarten.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by SergeAx on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @07:58AM (#34788637)
Buying property in Russia right now is insanely bad investment. Quality of life includes access to customer goods (which are mostly imported, thus largely sanctioned) and medical care (which is heavily import-dependent too, and also prone to rapid brain drain).
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by sgammon on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @05:06AM (#34787465)
i believe it only takes a national ID to cross the border into Armenia, where there is a flourishing Russian expat community full of IT experts but sure
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by throwaway_37365 on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @07:01AM (#34788186)
He wouldn't pass customs check at the border, due to standing debts and/or after-sentence probation. You can only enter Armenia with national ID if you travel by flight - but the boarding will be denied for the same reason. Travel passport is probably frozen as well. The only country he can go to is Belarus - there is no border control. But to travel from Belarus he would be required to pass the same customs check. Moreover, travelling to Belarus would be a violation of probation terms.
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by bilalq on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @05:47PM (#34811976)
> His son will soon feel a taste of state fascist indoctrination, it starts in kindergarten now in Russia.

While I certainly don't know any specifics about what things are like in Russia, I suspect this is not so different from most other countries in the world. Here in America, children are made to pledge their allegiance to the flag of the US every morning with a hand over their heart. This is before they have any concept of what the words "pledge" and "allegiance" even mean.

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by SergeAx on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @06:23PM (#34812440)
Can you remind me when was the last time US waged a conquest war under the pretext that neighbor state has no sovereignty right because people there are not a real nation? And to strengthen that point killed tens of thousands of civilians?
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by bilalq on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:25PM (#34829440)
Maybe not that exact pretext, but I can certainly point towards similar things done by the US military and intelligence agencies. Look at Iraq and "enhanced interrogation" in Guantanamo Bay. Go back a few more years, and we can observe cases where unethical experimentation was done on America's own citizens (e.g., MKUltra, the Tuskegee experiments, etc).
Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by SergeAx on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:41PM (#34829543)
I would like you to do two things for me, please. First, find some materials describing mandatory out-of-curriculum patriotic classes, introduced September 2022 in schools in Russia. They call it something like "Important conversation" or "Talk about important things". It would be better if you get to it yourself, also I read about it in Russian and not sure which English sources to recommend.

Second, make sure that you are not engaged in a textbook case of whataboutism[0]. Then please tell me what you think of our conversation, concerning these two topics. Thank you!

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular C... by bilalq on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:47PM (#34830498)
My point here was that patriotic indoctrination of children is not out of the norm in any country. You may be right that Russia is exceptional in that regard, but you haven't shared any information in what way.

As an aside, I personally consider dismissing points as whataboutism to be an overly and unjustly used deflection in discussions. It's an easy word to throw around when meaningful hypocrisy is called out, for example. Or in the case when the argument itself specifically is about the non-exceptional nature of something, as in the current case. I would also remind you that it was you who had specifically requested examples of similar behaviors in the US. Dismissing the response as whataboutism when you specifically asked for it is a bit unfair.

In the end, I don't have strong opinions or insights to share on this subject. I just wanted to voice my issue with the characterization of my reply as whataboutism, but that itself is a tangential topic on a tangential topic of a tangential topic, so the discussion isn't really worth furthering here.