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Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by JumpCrisscross on Monday February 13, 2023 @03:48PM (#34780208)
> one major company to say "screw this, lets offer wfh and reap the rewards" and then they win the title of best company to work in that sector and well qualified candidates are leaping from the curmudgeony competition right to them

Silicon Valley has a habit of taking every discussion and injecting it with religious zeal. Not everyone wants WFH. Not everyone wants in-office, or even hybrid. There are team dynamics unique to each configuration, with the relative costs and benefits depending on context. Beyond that, there's a spectrum of options, from remote-only to in-office only, to RTO on fixed days a week to RTO a couple times a year.

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by asdff on Monday February 13, 2023 @03:54PM (#34780293)
Of course not everyone wants to work from home. Not everyone wants parental leave either or a good school district to live in, since they have no kids and it would be irrelevant to them. Doesn't mean that things like parental leave or schooling or working from home aren't huge massive factors that a lot of people think about when it comes to choosing where to live your life and how it should look like. Like I said, the cat is out of the bag.

For me, its like the earth has went from a 24 hour day to a 26 hour day, what an invention in human efficiency these two hours have been! When is the last time we gained two hours of free time as a civilization, when we went from animal to mechanical power for transportation?

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by vineyardmike on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:19PM (#34780708)
> When is the last time we gained two hours of free time

I'm searching for a job now, and one of the things I'm starting to see - and place value in - are 4 day work weeks. I'm willing to take the pay cut, I don't care what day a week is the free day (but friday is the best IMO).

My mother was a very successful engineer in the 90s but went to a 32hr work week to raise me (matched school hours). During the summers she would work 8x4 instead of 6x5 and take Fridays off. She said it hurt her career for the first few years, and she had to work extra hard to re-prove herself but once she established herself, she much preferred the reduced schedule, and continued it even after I moved out.

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by autoexec on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:22PM (#34780753)
> Not everyone wants parental leave either or a good school district to live in, since they have no kids and it would be irrelevant to them.

Do very many people think that the quality of education in their area is irrelevant to them? You shouldn't need children to see the benefits of living in a community of well educated people.

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by oblio on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:07PM (#34780497)
> When is the last time we gained two hours of free time as a civilization, when we went from animal to mechanical power for transportation?

That's easy:

1. The 2 day weekend.

2. The 40 hour workweek.

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by autoexec on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:26PM (#34780827)
Considering the increases in productivity over the last 80 years I'd say workers are long overdue for some additional time off.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by olliej on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:23PM (#34780772)
No one is mandating WFH any more.

RTO people are mandating RTO for everyone: "I can't work from home and/or use work as a proxy social life, therefore _everyone else_ must make me happy by wasting hours every week coming to the office for no reason - I don't care if they're functionally taking a 20% pay cut, what is important is what I want".

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce is mandating RTO 3 days/wk for all em... by dragonwriter on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:28PM (#34780864)
> No one is mandating WFH any more.

Fully Remote orgs (either full firms or subordinate organizations) exist, and I’d be surprised if it wasn’t more both absolutely and proportionately now than before the pandemic.