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Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by unpopularopp on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:18AM (#34775476)
But it's on the iPlayer and works perfectly? So you can watch it in your own country https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0dkb144
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by jamal-kumar on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:42AM (#34775883)
Not outside of the UK without a VPN (And let's be honest, who buys one in a country which has restricted internet to begin with?) but if they haven't blocked this link in your locale here's an option to watch it as well:

https://archive.org/details/india.-the.-modi.-question.-s-01...

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by wkat4242 on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:52AM (#34776067)
> And let's be honest, who buys one in a country which has restricted internet to begin with?

It would be the first thing I'd get in a country with restricted internet :)

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by marcosdumay on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:10PM (#34776444)
You'd buy a VPN outside of that country, not inside it.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by wkat4242 on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:26PM (#34776769)
Ah but most VPNs have exit nodes in pretty much every major country in the world.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by gorbypark on Monday February 13, 2023 @03:18PM (#34779737)
Are there VPN services that reliably work with geo-blocked content? I haven't tried many but I have currently have a Mullvad subscription and I basically can't watch anything as all the IPs are blocked. I've also done some searches about the other big VPN providers and it seems like they are all blocked too. I wonder if I can spin up a VPS and roll my own? I kinda of assume all the major cloud provider IPs would be blocked as well.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by jamal-kumar on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @10:43AM (#34790914)
Roll your own for sure

I suggest trying out wireguard, it's a ton easier to set up than openvpn or ipsec

I haven't been blocked on decently reputed hosting providers

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by Hizonner on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:33AM (#34775728)
Kind of not the point. The BBC being unwilling to be intimidated doesn't imply that Youtube should be willing.

And I wonder if that BBC link works in India. Or if this one does: https://btdig.com/search?q=modi+question&order=2

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by archon1410 on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:44AM (#34775921)
> BBC iPlayer only works in the UK. Sorry, it’s due to rights issues.

BCC iPlayer doesn't work in any country other than the UK, so there isn't any question of it working in India. BTDigg is blocked in India, along with most piracy oriented websites, since long before the BBC documentary thing I think.

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by wkat4242 on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:53AM (#34776108)
But for the content they make, they own the rights. Including this doc, right? So what's the problem?
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by Hizonner on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:05PM (#34776343)
They make money selling the rights to stuff they produce in other parts of the world. Maybe not for this particular show, but in general.

They presumably treat everything on the service exactly the same, because it would cost them money to do otherwise, and also because they probably don't want to pay for the bandwidth for foreign users. I suspect you probably have to have a UK TV license to watch it, too, which means they're charging for it in the UK. It'd actually be surprising if they had a way to treat different content differently, as opposed to the whole service being all or nothing.

They probably also have foreign stuff on there that they've bought only the UK rights for.

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by newswasboring on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:14PM (#34776511)
At some point BBC needs to make a streaming service for everyone. Anyone with a 100 video content library is making their own, BBC is leaving money on the table I think. Unless licensing their content makes them way more money, the only other blockers I can think of are competence related and things being slow because of BBC's semi government organization.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by scns on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:23PM (#34776709)
This would be the smart thing to do. Still baffled that they don't do it. Maybe no visionaries work there.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by bobdvb on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:53AM (#34787040)
They already tried it and it didn't go well. I remember it because I had a meeting with the man who was running the trial service. Granted this was a few years ago now, but you also have to remember that "the BBC" isn't allowed to do this, only it's commercial entity "BBC Worldwide" can, due to the way the BBC is funded.

Many of the best shows are co-produced with other broadcasters from countries, which means the BBC doesn't have the global rights for them. Also a decent proportion of BBC content is independently produced, which also means the BBC doesn't have the rights to that content. Lastly, the contracts for performing rights were often written before the concept of streaming, so you may have to go back to each credited performer and get the rights to distribute the show online. This has impacted DVD releases before, in one instance the BBC had to actually wait for someone to die before they could release a DVD box set, because one actor in just one episode refused to sign an updated agreement. So the list of content that's actually available is much smaller than you might think.

Maintaining a paid archive of "long tail" content has long been said to be the way forward. You can monetise that huge library of content from your past, right? Actually, it turns out that people don't actually watch that long tail. Outside the top, recent content, you'll get maybe a handful of people watching the archive each week. The cost of maintaining that archive online is non-zero and because the content is largely "cold", in terms of streaming, delivery of the archive costs you more than the popular content people are actually watching. And if you hadn't noticed, streaming services aren't renowned for being profitable in the first place.

Oh, and playback performance for cold assets is worse than fresh content. So watching an old episode of 'Only Fools and Horses' in Indonesia will have relatively poor streaming performance without putting in significant global investment. That investment being difficult to justify.

It's cheaper to syndicate the popular shows (old and new) to the other streaming services and see what gets watched.

Credentials: >20 years in broadcast/media technology, now working in a senior role at a major streaming service.

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by scns on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:04AM (#34935426)
TIL. Thank you very much for this interesting background information.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by Hizonner on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:46PM (#34777158)
Counterpoint: Nobody wants to subscribe to 100 services. If you're not in say somebody's top 3, that person is probably not going to buy your service. Therefore, if you don't believe that you will be in the top 3 for some fairly large number of people, you should not try to start your own consumer-facing service.

The BBC might correctly determine that, although it's a respected content producer, it doesn't have enough of that kind of power to make it work... except in the UK, where it already has a captive audience of "subscribers".

That applies at least until there is a universally adopted micropayment system, and maybe after that, too.

On edit, as a by-the-way: While it's true that everybody with a library is trying to do that, that only proves that it's trendy. Where are the numbers that say it's actually profitable?

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by newswasboring on Monday February 13, 2023 @01:02PM (#34777455)
The thing is, this is sort of the reality we are living in. People are subscribing to a 100 different services. Niche streaming services are very popular, but I do agree you have to be the best at your niche to be viable. The whole profitability point you made is completely valid. There are indeed no numbers that I am aware of that say these are profitable.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by wkat4242 on Monday February 13, 2023 @01:20PM (#34777751)
Really? I subscribe to maybe 10 services in my place. Energy, Internet, Mobile, VPS, and a couple of websites and patreons. No TV or streaming. And spotify I do on and off (when they have an offer for 3 months for 10 bucks).

As soon as a paid service goes subscription-only I drop it generally unless I really really need it.

I know not everyone is as anti-subscription as I am, but really, 100? Anything that pays "automatically" and auto-renews is something I have less control and visibility over so I'll do anything to avoid it.

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by newswasboring on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @02:03AM (#34786355)
I thought it was understood that 100 was an exaggeration. But yes in my circle almost everyone has 5-6 media subscriptions. Some niche some not.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by CommanderData on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:24AM (#34775592)
BBC iPlayer is restricted to UK residents only.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by iso1631 on Monday February 13, 2023 @11:49AM (#34776009)
It's quite sad, it's a generic "this video isn't allowed globally due to rights". That makes perfect sense when you're talking about last nights showing of Moanna, or even Eastenders (where background music in the pub might not be cleared for use outside the UK), but when it comes to a program like this you'd hope exceptions would be made.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by jeroenhd on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:00PM (#34776218)
These programs are often made by commercial entities (like BBC Worldwide, which is separate from the normal state funded BBC) who license their material to foreign streaming services like Netflix.

If every impactful documentary would be given away for free, there's no incentive for anyone to pay the company behind it to make more. Journalism is expensive and I don't think enough people would donate to a large corporation through Patreon.

I would love documentaries like these to be available without restriction, but when it comes to copyright and business model, it really does come close to Moanna or Eastenders.

Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by iso1631 on Monday February 13, 2023 @12:26PM (#34776778)
Part of the BBC's remit is the world service, and serving India especially. There is a very large production office in Delhi which produces multiple TV programs each day in various languages.
Re:India’s Government Wants Total Control of the Internet by cpufry on Monday February 13, 2023 @02:17PM (#34778731)
i thought the whole point is that you cant watch it in india