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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by butterlesstoast on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:22PM (#34759373)
Does anyone else think these have been happening a long time but now they make front paper news because of recent activities?
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by pyuser583 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:45PM (#34759496)
Yeah, it seems we’ve just been letting these things fly through our airspace.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by 37 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:51PM (#34759529)
Which recent activities? House hearings on weaponization? Hersh's article on Nord Stream? Something else?
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by pphysch on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:40PM (#34759838)
Nordstream, failing Ukraine war, awkward Syria sanctions + earthquake, Ohio disaster, France protests, etc. Great time for a scapegoat.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:31PM (#34759752)
The demonization of China is politically advantageous. Publicizing incursions like this assists in the demonization (to be clear, it is think it’s warranted — the amount is espionage perpetrated by China on the US, corporate and cyber and governmental, Is insane)
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by allisdust on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:50AM (#34760231)
Forced labour camps, genocide, authoritarian, cyber warfare against other nations, salami slicing neighbours, purposefully violating air space over other nations. I don't think China needs any demonisation. This is just showing its reality.

If anything both sides of the political spectrum doesn't want to get into showing China as the demon because unlike the previous cold war, they are not sure if they can win it or even force a draw. China is too powerful as it stands and getting more powerful as years pass while the current superpower is busy fighting it self with culture wars.

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by roca on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:35AM (#34760479)
China is weakening. Centralization of power is making the government brittle. The government is deeply unpopular domestically, and there is no outlet for this resentment so it's continually building. China has no real allies; most countries, especially their neighbours, deeply distrust them. China's demographic outlook is terrible; the population has peaked and they've transitioned directly from enforced one-child to hardly anyone wanting more than one child.

China is indeed extremely powerful but it has peaked.

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by allisdust on Monday February 13, 2023 @02:44AM (#34771109)
Its basically a pressure cooker. It's strong but there are no relief valves (apart from nationalistic saber rattling on various internal social media). When the pressure is sufficiently built up and the valves aren't sufficient they will blow but that is also why they keep taking provocative measures. To keep the valves working.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by thepasswordis on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:57PM (#34759562)
There's a war happening in Europe right now. That's a pretty major recent activity.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by Consultant32452 on Sunday February 12, 2023 @02:23AM (#34760694)
Don't worry, a border dispute involving Germany and Russia would never get out of hand.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ianburrell on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:03AM (#34759987)
The spy balloon was bigger than previous and visible from the ground. People were reporting it and forced government to respond.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by toomuchtodo on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:28AM (#34760126)
China has been providing military support to Russia. With a certain lens, you can see the proxy war growing from Russia and Ukraine to Russia-China and Ukraine-NATO.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/02/04/china-h...

https://www.ft.com/content/3146a413-9aba-4fd4-86a7-671bce0e6...

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by toomuchtodo on Monday February 20, 2023 @11:12AM (#34869471)
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/... (Ukraine’s Zelensky to China: there would be a ‘world war’ if you ally with Russia)
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by SamPatt on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:13PM (#34759646)
Yes. This phenomenon happens all the time. Panics are human nature.
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by justin66 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:37PM (#34759809)
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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ElectricalUnion on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:07AM (#34760010)
To me this sounds like a Chinese victory.

If a couple of (supposedly bad and kinda not working) chinese spy baloons were suffient to suddenly make the US go nuts, and spend a lot of defense budget scrambling fighters around and shooting down UFOs, that was a lot of bang for the buck.

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by krashidov on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:25AM (#34760119)
Yes I’m sure they will bankrupt the USA one balloon at a time. Do you really think the objective here is to get us to waste money ?
Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ElectricalUnion on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:44AM (#34760203)
No, it's to find out how little/much/slow/fast you need to be before the USA detects it and starts launching interceptors.

Or, if the USA just shots down everything once it enters its territory, future dirt cheap, "don't even have to be smart" bio/chemical weapons platform.

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by justin66 on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:43AM (#34760196)
> spend a lot of defense budget scrambling fighters around and shooting down UFOs

I doubt if the expenditure has been significant. The US has a lot of air to air missiles, pilots who need flight time, etc., and a lot of that stuff is a sunk cost.

There could potentially be a big increase in cost in the days that follow, for the US and for Canada. It's valuable, fragile human beings who need to do dangerous things like dive for surveillance balloon parts, or go out onto the ice to collect them, but the cost of scrambling some fighters and firing some Sidewinders by itself can't be that high. If scrambling fighters was all there was to it, the costs could probably be rationalized as a valuable training exercise.

I would venture to guess that if you tried to reduce everything to a dollar cost, the cost to the civilian economy of closing a portion of the airspace on the East Coast a few days ago to facilitate the interception of the balloon was higher than the cost of all these military operations to date.

> make the US go nuts

Yes, measured by the whole "make the Americans act crazy" metric, they're doing great. It's like Judo or something: we Americans just need a little push...

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by westhom on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:23AM (#34760104)
I have a strong hunch the US had known about them for a long time and maybe decided it’s better to let them hang out so they can be studied and secretly test measures against them, versus reveal response patterns and weapons capabilities. But something recently has made that calculus change.