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Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by WoodenChair on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:02PM (#34734730)
> Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships, or if getting a new job would entail moving to a new city/state/country, even if jumping ship would entail a sizable payraise or other improvement in working conditions.

Yeah you know I’d much rather work in a place where I have a very limited relationship with the people I spend at least 8 hours a day with. That was sarcasm. One of the reasons I didn’t take a remote job last year was the lack of deep social connections I’ve experienced in other remote work.

I’ve observed that the best work is often done by small teams with deep social connections. Think the original Mac team in 1983 or id software in the early 90s. I want to like and even love some of the people I work with, even if the time is short and I’m fired. Because life is short and even a couple years with someone I connected with is valuable when it’s 8 hours a day for 1/40 of my life.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by jabits on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:48PM (#34735032)
When you’re young maybe, but after ten or fifteen years of “deep social connections”, working remote can be quite peaceful and satisfying. Personally I’ve always been more productive working at home.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by WoodenChair on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:52PM (#34735063)
Well I'm 35. You can decide if that's young or old. Some people are just more social than others of course.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by acheron on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:28AM (#34735976)
Being social is fine. That’s what I have real friends for. I don’t need pretend friends at work.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by puckerup44 on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:57AM (#34736156)
I always see this parroted by people on HN and it's such a pathetic stance to take.

Every job I've been at I've formed close friends. My closest friends include people from every job and I don't think it's a coincidence. These friendships are just as real (and I'd argue stronger) than your "real" friends.

Maybe the problem is with you and you are just somebody people don't like? Or you think you shouldn't be making friends at work which is kind of sad.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by indigochill on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:06AM (#34736957)
The reality is outside of work you pick your friends. At work, you're placed on a team with other people and you have no choice but to work with them. Sometimes they're great, but sometimes they're people you want nothing to do with, but they're on your team so you suck it up and make it work to the extent required by the job.

Over my career I've both worked with people that I've voluntarily kept in touch with after our time together ended (we even occasionally float the idea of jumping ship and going into business together) and people that drove me up the wall who I couldn't wait to get out of my life (as people, not even necessarily that they were unproductive employees, although some of them were). If I could just have less of those forced interactions due to physical proximity, then I'd have more social energy to spend on people I actually want to spend it on.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by johnnyanmac on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @02:53AM (#34801188)
Not really. you can't force anyone to be your friend, and if there is some supericial reason someone doesn't like you, you can't really change that (not without a big change I guess. I'm sure if you got ripped you'd suddenly have a lot more "friends). You're at the mercy of luck in where you meet and who clicks with you. And that gets harder as meetups and socialties become more based around how drunk you get or if you like sports. I like neither.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by raffraffraff on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:14AM (#34736994)
I have collected work friends since 1998. Most of the time it dwindles to one or two per job, after a few years. But former colleagues now outnumber friends from primary school (1), highschool (0), college (5), sports I used to play (0), bars I drank at (0), places I used to live (3) and where I live now, ie: neighbours (6).

Should you create life-long bonds with people because of accidents of geography, or because you have chosen to spend your working life doing the same thing? Even the incidental friendships you make at the water cooler with people who just happen to be working in the same company are as valid as the ones you make when you're walking your dog.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by scott_w on Friday February 10, 2023 @05:17AM (#34737814)
Why did you jump to assuming people don’t like the parent poster? It’s totally possible that they get on well with everyone but don’t feel the need to go for after work drinks with them.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by thanatropism on Friday February 10, 2023 @06:45AM (#34738438)
I had friends at the office and even a kind of crush. One month into the pandemic, we just didn't care about trying to keep the non-work banter going. It's a forced situation; romance as a result of shared stressors in particular is well documented, but not necessarily healthier than just meeting someone randomly.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by bart_spoon on Friday February 10, 2023 @08:10AM (#34739187)
No one is saying they can’t make friends at work. They are saying there is a big difference in quality between work friendships and non-work friendships. The point is that if the main reason you are all associating is because you are being paid to, that the relationship can be severed when someone is fired, and that when you take a new job those relationships are quickly replaced by new ones, then it isn’t actually a strong relationship.

Actual friendships aren’t monetarily driven.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by johnnyanmac on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @02:50AM (#34801175)
I don't even know how you find "real friends" these days without being friends since grade school/college. Been trying for years in meetups to make real friends and nothing clicks. I have some good friends but they are as busy as I am and syncing up to meet is hard.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by hello_moto on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:12PM (#34742516)
Social != friends.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by pmontra on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:55AM (#34736893)
You're young and I agree with your assessment. I also think that working close together is fundamental to start something new quickly, especially if the team doesn't know each other well. Think of new hires in a new company of any kind. However I rather pick something to work from home and keep my social life for the evenings and the weekends. It's so much more convenient than having to commute, from 10 minutes to one hour. And not be bound to 9-18.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by danaris on Friday February 10, 2023 @09:44AM (#34740256)
While I've not worked fully remotely for my actual job, I've had a "remote" side-project for about a decade now.

Some of the people I've worked with on it, I've made friends with—ranging from "friendly working relationship" to "would totally hang out with IRL if that were an option."

I'm also a member of a small online community that's about the same age, that includes a bunch of people who have never met physically, and probably never will, but who are very close friends, help each other through some pretty rough times, and are generally very supportive of each other.

"Remote" doesn't have to mean "never interact outside of pure work". You can 100% make friends remotely. Granted, it's not exactly the same type of social interaction as hanging out with someone in a physical space, but it's certainly social interaction—and for many people (me included), it's often better, because it doesn't have the same kinds of demands and pressures as physical interaction. As an introvert, it's much less draining for me to interact virtually.

If that's not true of you—if you're both someone who craves genuine physical interaction, and someone for whom the workplace is the primary place you want to get that—no one (or, well, nearly no one) is saying you shouldn't have access to that. We're just saying your experience is not universal, and we want to make sure there are a healthy variety of options for people with different needs and desires.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by dantyti on Friday February 10, 2023 @03:58PM (#34745748)
>Yeah you know I’d much rather work in a place where I have a very limited relationship with the people I spend at least 8 hours a day with.

I would. No sarcasm. With the caveat that I don't have to spend 9 hours a day with them, as I'm not forced into an office space with them.

I've also found that working at companies which push for closer employee social bonds with countless office activities, quarterly teambuilding events, parties, etc. actually diminished my QoL. I realized that what I actually want are deep connections with people I like, not someone someone else hired to work on the same project. All those (imo, meaningless) socializing activities cut into my free time I could have been spending with friends and family. Working remotely also frees up time I would be wasting on commutes.

Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by johnnyanmac on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @02:55AM (#34801197)
When you can't get the former, the latter is still a nice backup. Remote works can end with neither.
Re:GitHub to Layoff 10% by ReflectedImage on Monday February 13, 2023 @09:08PM (#34784219)
It depends on the company. Some places are very social others not so much.