Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

Now youtube trying to catch up with Tiktok is ruining their users experience with their 'Shorts' feature. My opinion at least. I wish I could hide shorts and never see them again...

I take the opinion of the sibling comment. These short form videos are heroin. And as a service provider YouTube needs to offer the number one in-demand product if they want to maintain clientele, even at the cost of their "core" product (medium to long form video).

“There are only two industries that refer to their customers as ‘users’, one is of course IT, the other is the illegal drugs trade.” — Edward Tufte

"The junk merchant doesn't sell his product to the consumer, he sells the consumer to his product. He does not improve and simplify his merchandise. He degrades and simplifies the client."

-- William S Burroughs

Does anyone know if parental controls can hide shorts? Especially from the mobile toolbar.

I think (Re)Vanced can do it if you are on Android

TikTok is like heroin. Sure there’s a market for it but it’s not a particularly great thing to provide.

A chatbot like chatGPT actually has a great potential to be useful for accomplishing real tasks.

Judging by the reaction it would seem you’re in the minority here

It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it.

We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night.

My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters

I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things

We created quick rhymes for school

And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't even touched on! Like ten million things.

I'm exceedingly polite to the chat AI because I cannot believe I'm lucky and privileged enough to use something this awesome in my lifetime.

I feel like a kid in candy store :). I cannot imagine that somebody can find NO USE for it!

I spent hours on ChatGPT asking questions about black holes. Like really dumb ones. I learned a lot!

I too felt like a kid in the candy store but I soon discovered that if you go in depth on anything with chatGPT it just starts to repeat the same answers after a while.

I have a feeling that when I read a book I get smarter, whereas when I interact with a chat bot I get dumber. And it's not just a feeling, I'm positive that this is what's actually happening.

That fits the candy store reference pretty well - the candy is not doing the kid any favors.

You don't need a chatbot to do any of that.

You're basically just saying your too damn lazy to do any of this stuff unless the amount of effort you need to put in is as minimal as possible.

While I get being tired and stressed (I'm a parent too) I feel like what you're doing is not much better than just zoning out.

Let me guess, you don't wash your family's clothes by hand, instead you use a washing machine? You don't even sew them yourself, instead you buy clothes pre-made by some factory in Bangladesh? Too damn fucking lazy.

Now go tell a farmer he’s too lazy because he uses a tractor.

That's a fairly uncharitable interpretation that I don't feel aided discussion.

I used chatgpt to craft stories based on events of the day, then I reviewed and modifies, printed them out, and read them out with my kids. In a given time, it multiplied what I can achieve. I could do it without chat gpt. I could do it without computer and printer. I could do it without pen and paper. Heck I could do it the normal way and just get a generic children book. But this was fun! And it was the opposite of zoning out for all involved! :)

Same for black history month quizzes and posters. It allowed my wife, in the limited time available to her (time is always limited to humans in this universe) , to do a far better job celebrating the event than ever before. I don't think she or her colleagues felt like any "zoning out" was involved, or that minimal effort was put in!

We found our initial explorations exciting and involved and rich and educating. I believe there are strong limits, and there can be accuracy issues and AI hallucinating and so on. But just the basic dozen use cases are such strong effort multipliers. I have learned more and have done more with given unit of time invested. For all the extremely legitimate moral, socio economic, legal and other issues, which are extremely valid, I stand by my awe at people who say "I can find no use for this".

"I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords"

Again,is that a helpful comment?

I 1000% acknowledged and am terrified of social, economic, power implications. I think they should be discussed and debated.

They are not the same thing though as "is this useful?".

We can and should have discussion on dangers of nuclear and AI and ubi and myriad other things. I will still unabashedly repeat my only point in this thread - it's shocking to me that some people find "chatgpt has no use", to the point I find it disingenuous.

If I'm to expand on my (admittedly a little facetious) parent comment, it would be to say:

I'm not arguing that ChatGPT has no use. My argument is that I strongly suspect the long term negative externalities of large language models will vastly exceed any positive impact they will have on society. And humanity has a pretty clearly established track record in terms of widespread deployment of things that bring some immediate utility but whose longterm consequences we don't understand upfront. CFC's, artificial sweeteners, cigarettes, lead paint, social media, React Hooks, so on and so on and so on, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

I guess I'm just surprised how easily people are able to put aside their terror (as you put it) in exchange for some of that sweet, sweet, short-term utility. They're two sides of the same coin. You're ushering in tomorrow's consequences, unseen.

Great comment. People don’t want search. They want something. Search boxes gets you something. People type URLs into search boxes because they want the website. They don’t want the search. Search boxes don’t make things. But now they can. Lego in your made up story. Now there’s some ad revenue. A good thing? New issues for sure.

It's really hard to move fast on a Python codebase i think. The solution should be rewriting it .

I'm not sure I understand. If long form content makes more money, how can TikTok afford to pay creators to attract them away from YouTube?

They can’t/pay far less and most of its content is an alternate revenue stream/promotion vehicle for creators rather then many who’s YouTube is their primary?

YouTube is heavily investing in shorts as well but a bit late.

I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what the poster above is refering to: they would profit more out of longer contents due to the way their ads placements work, but they have to adapt and propose shorts anyway.

Are you saying that YouTube margins are lower than tiktok? Because that seems very unlikely based on estimated figures. Tiktok is still spending hundreds of millions on user acquisition. Bytedance is no closer to IPO now than 2 years ago, and so we don't have any idea the exact performance of its business lines.