Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by cesis on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:48AM
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Why not?
Add a fin to a baloon and you can steer it.
And once the baloon can hold direction in the wind with the help of the fin, you can add sail to actually get some propulsion in direction other than wind.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by WalterBright on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:19AM
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The balloon moves with the wind. You cannot steer it because from the point of view of the balloon it is not moving.
There is no keel on a balloon. Without a keel, one is only going downwind.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by hardlianotion on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:35AM
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I think you should be able to on a wind current boundary
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by tomcam on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:47AM
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> from the point of view of the balloon it is not moving.
Mind == blown*
*Sincere, but pun intended
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by theteapot on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:48AM
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Wind is still flowing over the balloon and able to generate a steering force.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by Tor3 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:22AM
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No, as Walter said, it's moving with the wind, i.e. it has the same speed as the wind. It's only if there's a sudden gust that you would see anything flowing over the balloon.
I took part in a balloon experiment a couple of years back, essentially a weather balloon with several cameras, including one pointing upwards - we could watch (after we retrieved the cameras later) hours with footage of the balloon itself. There were various loose threads etc, and I assure you - there wasn't much movement! Occasionally there would be a little gust, when that happened the payload would swing around a little bit, but for the most part it was very quiet. Particularly at the highest altitudes.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by theteapot on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:23PM
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This is interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQwgBAaBag
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by Tor3 on Monday February 06, 2023 @03:08AM
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Forgot to include: We had microphones up there too! It was literally quiet.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ...
by mike_d on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:00AM
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The problem at 60k feet is actually you are above the weather and don't have a ton of wind to work with. Moving up and down in the minor wind currents is far more efficient energy wise and practically.
Sails are useless in a balloon. The only way to steer a balloon without a propeller is to raise and lower its altitude seeking a wind blowing in the right direction.