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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by BenFranklin100 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:36PM (#34599594)
Tokyo is not a free-for-all. It does zone for different uses by forbidding certain uses above a certain nuisance or hazard level. For instance, in many areas you can’t just plop down a chemical factory. The cool thing about Tokyo zoning though is that anything below a nuisance level is pretty much allowed. Want to build a house next to a dump or above a discotheque? Go for it, no one is going to stop you.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by anotheracctfo on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:46PM (#34599777)
"I live above a bowling alley, and below another bowling alley"

Rent has gotten so outrageous that this is a good thing now.

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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by steveklabnik on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:51PM (#34599862)
Some people have different preferences when it comes to housing.

My place overlooks a freeway. I really, truly dislike that freeway. But one thing I do like about it is the noise that it makes, even at night. I find it very hard to fall asleep in silence.

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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by nemo44x on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @03:00PM (#34601031)
You should really check the air quality you're breathing. I agree about sound, but there's other ways to generate it. Seriously though, check the air quality you breath.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by steveklabnik on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @03:05PM (#34601110)
Air quality is absolutely one of the reasons that I hate that highway. It sucks.

I'm of the persuasion that highways should never go through cities. I'd never argue living by a highway is good. It's just that one isolated aspect of it that others may find bad, I find good, due to preference.

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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by zumu on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @06:33PM (#34619744)
Looking forward, if we really do turn automotive transportation green, some of the negative effects like air quality will improve dramatically. Though I suppose the accompanying reduction in noise will be a detriment for your particular sleeping needs.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by steveklabnik on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:30PM (#34656221)
That would improve that, for sure :) I would still hate the highway for tons of other reasons...

and I would happily just play some white noise on a speaker instead in exchange for being rid of it. Oh well.

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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by mrfox321 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:47PM (#34599808)
"Don't ask me how the economy works"
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by DebtDeflation on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:54PM (#34599921)
Yes, it makes sense to mix Residential and Commercial in many cases. It rarely makes sense to mix Industrial with either Residential or Commercial. No one wants a smelter next to a house or an office.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by steveklabnik on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:06PM (#34600119)
This SimCity style thinking about zoning is just too simplistic. Yes, absolutely, nobody wants to live next to a smelter. But not every commercial property is a smelter. People love to live near corner stores, yet that is "commercial."
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by HWR_14 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:30PM (#34600529)
The smelter is "Industrial" not "Commercial". At least in SimCity abstractions.

Usually commercial and some level of manufacturing overlap in zoning, but smelters are in a different category.

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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by steveklabnik on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:36PM (#34600639)
Sure. Three or five total zoning designations is still not fine-grained enough, especially if they're exclusive.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by JAlexoid on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @03:28PM (#34601464)
A tailor and laundry are technically industrial use, yet I wouldn't mind having a taylor or a laundry service nearby.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by HWR_14 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:21PM (#34603146)
They seem to be zoned commercially in most zoning laws I look at. Where are they zoned only industrial?
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by WkndTriathlete on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:13PM (#34600242)
That's why zoning in the US is classified Residential, Commercial / Light Industrial, and Heavy Industrial, and Residential never abuts Heavy Industrial.
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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by steveklabnik on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:31PM (#34600535)
Yes. I personally still find this far too simplistic, and would prefer non-exclusionary zoning.
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