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Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by qwertox on Monday January 30, 2023 @09:37PM (#34590140)
I think his comment goes more in the direction of "Pythonistas" or "Rustaceans". When I coded in C/C++ about 15 years ago I never felt like a part of a "C" community, same the last 15 years I coded with Python (and Java), I'd never consider myself as a "Pythonista", even though I love the language and the effort everybody puts into making this language so useful as well as learnable. The Rust community is also really helpful and well structured in the sense that you know what to expect from a contribution (like a crate), but I'll never label myself as a Rustacean even if I'd start using Rust as my primary language. These "groups" seem strange to me, almost like a cult which I feel is out of place. Like a group of Americans learning and using the Italian language calling themselves "Italians" just to point out that they have a special relation to that language which others don't have. The analogy doesn't really work, because there are no such person's like born "Pythonistas", but it somehow illustrates the vibe these groups apparently want to irradiate. I love the languages for what they are, and the love and effort the communities put into them shows more through the language itself than through a label a community gives itself.
Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by lamontcg on Monday January 30, 2023 @10:14PM (#34590399)
Yeah there was nowhere near as much of this tribalistic nonsense in the 90s. The millennial affinity to identity and tribalism, in general, is quite weird.
Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by djur on Monday January 30, 2023 @10:26PM (#34590485)
If there is a trend toward identity and tribalism, it would be a pretty natural response to the midcentury trend toward isolated nuclear families and hyper-individualism. My recollection was that culture in the '90s was actually quite obsessed with "tribes" and identity as a direct reaction to the dog-eat-dog '80s.
Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by heavyset_go on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:56PM (#34591351)
I see it as more of a deliberate community building choice, one that we've seen for decades and one that's more popular now than ever, I'd argue, and not some "millennial" propensity towards tribalism.

Every brand/product/service/etc is trying to create communities around themselves, with fan clubs, VIP memberships, social media groups, email lists, Zoom/in-person conferences/webinars, etc.

It used to be you had to have a ton of reach and value to pull those off before the internet, now every project has marketing and social media people doing the same thing online.

Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by lostdog on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:31AM (#34591561)
Really? I know it was mostly 2000s, but a lot of Paul Graham's writing was about how great Lisp is [1]. It also sounds like the C versus C++ arguments were wild too if Linus is still riled up about it.

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/iflisp.html

Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by lamontcg on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @04:22PM (#34602368)
I used to program Perl and C on various *nix systems in the 90s. I wasn't a Perlist or C-ist or Unix-ista. I didn't need to hate Macs and Windows and C++ as part of my identity.
Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by pjmlp on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:19AM (#34592274)
There was, if you had access to Usenet.

Delphi versus VB, VB vs C++, Pascal vs C, C vs C++...

Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by howinteresting on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:06PM (#34597866)
Tribalism is pretty clearly biologically wired into our species.
Re:Fish (shell) porting to Rust from C++ by LAC-Tech on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:25AM (#34591528)
oh right I see what you mean. I'm a late millennial and I've so far avoided putting too much of my self identity into tech I like.

At the same time - it takes all sorts to make a village, right? Those superfans of this or that language, library, database, whatever.. I'm glad they exist in the world and share their knowledge.