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Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by sandworm101 on Monday January 30, 2023 @09:38AM (#34580075)
Retired rich people. Whenever a system it setup to help poor people, a harsh system of cutoffs is needed to prevent retired people from qualifying for the benefit by moving money around on paper. The problem is that we have far too many systems to allow relatively well-off people to "zero" their on-paper income, even their personal assets, during retirement. Entire industries exist to facilitate such trickery (see every other TV commercial on CNN/MSNBC/FOX).
Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by svieira on Monday January 30, 2023 @09:50AM (#34580248)
Starving the poor to prevent feeding the rich seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by paparush on Monday January 30, 2023 @10:45AM (#34581180)
This is America. Don't catch you slippin up.
Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by pessimizer on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:47AM (#34582415)
Or rather like cutting off someone else's nose to spite people it won't matter much to.

The efforts US politicians go through to make sure that some of the people who have paid a disproportionately large amount of taxes don't get a fraction of them back when they don't need it have been valiant. Considering that you could simply tax them enough to create a universal benefit, effectively refunding part of their own taxes and redistributing the rest, I'd suggest that starving the poor is a goal rather than a side-effect.

We can't give people free college, what if people who could afford college go?

Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by onei on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:03PM (#34582746)
On the one hand yes. But letting your system be abused by those that have no need for it is never a good use of funds.
Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by ceejayoz on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:44PM (#34583481)
That's actually not always true; it depends on the rate of fraud, the amount earned, how widespread it is, and the amount of damage you do to good-faith applicants by making the process harder.

For example, Florida required drug testing to receive welfare; that program cost more than it saved taxpayers in benefits. https://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-didnt-save-mone...

Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by rnd0 on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:01PM (#34588625)
>But letting your system be abused by those that have no need for it is never a good use of funds.

And yet, we have rich people using fraud to get government funds that they have absolutely no need for while the poor get exploited and starve.

The abuse is going on A N Y W A Y; it's just that people get more indignant when one of the "poors" occasionally get that extra soda out of the machine.

Re:Disabled and out of work for years, but need some side in... by no_wizard on Monday January 30, 2023 @01:36PM (#34584322)
If we know what they are so much so that they advertise these services on cable news channels, you'd think the government would be able to make carve outs for these things as they come up no?