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Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by orev on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:29PM (#34575169)
I know many people have strong feelings about GIMP, and I just have to say that I love it. I use it for basic photo editing stuff—I’m not an artist—and it has always done what I needed it to do.

I gave up on comparing it to Photoshop over a decade ago, and by simply accepting it as its own thing (learning how it works and not grumbling about how this/that isn’t how Photoshop does it), it’s really not that difficult to learn. Just like vi (or photoshop) it’s a powerful tool and you need to spend some time to gain competence with it.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by jseliger on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:25PM (#34575453)
This is a decades-old comment, but many would like for its name to be changed.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by DiggyJohnson on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:05PM (#34575662)
I didn’t even know that Gimp had a slang definition until this thread.

Do you genuinely think this change would help the project? I don’t see how it does anything other than confuse potential users and cause a lot of discussion about something that doesn’t actually improve the functionality itself.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by mch82 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:53PM (#34575883)
I’m certain renaming GIMP would make a tremendous difference. The name is perceived as offensive & that makes it impossible for people to take seriously, especially in a corporate setting. Edit: As someone who has tried to get people using it because it’s such great software.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by chidg on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:16AM (#34576030)
Yep, same experience here. The name is a big problem.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by rhaway84773 on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:01AM (#34575934)
I’m also unlikely to recommend it to kids, for example, because googling its name can be risky.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by hulitu on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:15AM (#34576757)
ROTFL. Never heard about this in 20 years. Doing an extended search shows that "gimp" is a kind of latex costume. There are worse things for kids than a latex costume. For example violence.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by adament on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:17AM (#34577147)
When I was a kid and trying to learn LaTeX this happened to me all the time on the library computers.

I do not think I have a point, you just made me remember some fun and dreadful moments.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by werid on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:36AM (#34577265)
gimp is not a latex costume

google: define gimp

> / (ɡɪmp) / noun. US and Canadian offensive, slang a physically disabled person, esp one who is lame. slang a sexual fetishist who likes to be dominated and who dresses in a leather or rubber body suit with mask, zips, and chains.

(probably from urban dictionary)

see also a real dictionary

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gimp

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by Teever on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:15AM (#34576023)
Someone could easily fork it and change nothing but the branding if the name was such a problem.

I'm pretty sure that the biggest threat to the adoption of GIMP isn't the name GIMP, it's Adobe doing regular Adobe things.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by antiatheist on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:51AM (#34576244)
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by tastysandwich on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:47AM (#34576221)
I used it in my high-school multimedia class instead of Photoshop and my (female) teacher never bat an eyelid. I can't imagine many workplaces that would be more prudish than a Catholic school? The biggest obstacle I find is that people are used to Photoshop, and some tools are quite tricky to use (the alignment tool).
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by hulitu on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:07AM (#34576716)
They should rename it for americans. For the rest of the world it can stay the same.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by letrowekwel on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:44AM (#34576954)
Maybe in America. I can assure elsewhere nobody has any idea of the offensive meaning.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by crtasm on Monday January 30, 2023 @06:00PM (#34587883)
We know what a gimp is, the film Pulp Fiction and the internet exist here :-)
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by Gigachad on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:59AM (#34576290)
I remember I worked in a content creation related company and the director saying “there’s a reason they call it GIMP”

I’m not sure a name change would do that much. The tool itself is behind photoshop from 2010 and the gap is growing.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by extr0pian on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:34PM (#34575804)
I could see it's name as an impedance toward adoption in a corporate environment. The name "GIMP" certainly doesn't inspire confidence in someone who's never heard of it before. GLIMPSE, a fork of GIMP, certainly has a better name.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by password11 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:39PM (#34575819)
I don't think funny names hinder tool adoption. Photoshop is the standard because it's a better tool than Gimp, although it's non-free.

Companies adopted Git. They'll adopt Gimp if it's better than Photoshop.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by rogerclark on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:07AM (#34575970)
FWIW, "git" doesn't have an insulting meaning to most people in the US. "Git" can mean "go" in some US dialects. I would guess that the average person here has no idea that "git" has any kind of negative connotation.

On the other hand, in the US, "gimp" is always either an insult, a derogatory verb, or the open source project.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by Gigachad on Monday January 30, 2023 @01:00AM (#34576302)
Git is pretty universally known as referring to an ignorant and unpleasant person.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by hulitu on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:18AM (#34576781)
This is the perfect description for the git command.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by midoridensha on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:06AM (#34577454)
No, it's really not. Inside the UK, your statement is true, but inside the US, most people have never heard of this.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by Gigachad on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:10AM (#34577481)
Hmm, I'm Australian and it's very well known
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by midoridensha on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:11AM (#34577489)
Again, Australia and the UK are not like the US, and have different slang.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by GoblinSlayer on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:32AM (#34578008)
Where universe fits in the borders of USA.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by hulitu on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:16AM (#34576770)
Our IT could care less.The name seems to rezonate in certain, puritan areas of the world.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by mastazi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:42PM (#34759473)
You are thinking about one of the two meanings of the term, how about the other one? Ableism is bad, and that's got nothing to do with puritanism.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by FooBarWidget on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:19AM (#34576053)
There is a fork with a rename. Cinepaint. But I don't see it being more popular. Looks like people don't care about the name that much after all.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by dagw on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:21AM (#34578747)
Cinepaint was never general fork of Gimp and was never meant as a competitor or alternative. It was a fork focusing on solving some very domain specific problems that Gimp wasn't focusing on. Most of those features have since been folded back into Gimp.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by xvilka on Monday January 30, 2023 @12:23AM (#34576087)
There was a fork called Glimpse - it failed hard. Just name is not enough for a project to prosper - surprisingly, you need also actual developers to code.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by tpoacher on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @07:46PM (#34604657)
Just call it GNU IMP.

Or by its full name.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by echelon on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:35PM (#34575806)
Gimp is in a tough spot, and it's easy to understand - it's an open source project that has bounced around for decades without strong leadership or corporate investment to pull it forward (cf. Blender).

In that time they haven't built non-destructive layers, they haven't improved the UI, and they've kept that stupid kink/ableist name.

Image editors in the near future will be 100% AI-first. Gimp is not going to make it.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by themodelplumber on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:40PM (#34575828)
GIMP can be used for what it is, as op is getting at. There's no need to "make it" to anything.

(BTW I used to teach Photoshop at the college level...AI editors and illustrators are Clip Art 2.0, and already have the same smell to them)

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by hulitu on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:21AM (#34576801)
> Image editors in the near future will be 100% AI-first. Gimp is not going to make it.

30 years ago AI was also a big hype. As you can see, after 30 years AI is again the big hype. I presume that in 30 years (if we live that long) we will see again such statements that AI will solve everything.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by WolfOliver on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:33AM (#34576879)
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by happymellon on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:16AM (#34578705)
3D TVs will be making a comeback first! Or maybe VR?
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by echelon on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:12AM (#34581693)
I don't get why HN feels this way about AI. We're clearly onto something. Scratching the surface. The present day research hasn't even been productized - there's so much the current level of AI can and will improve. And yet research marches forward at blinding pace.
Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by BizarroLand on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:00PM (#34585550)
I think it's disappointment fatigue.

Pareto's principle is alive and well, the first 20% of developing a technology is the easiest and most productive, but the actual goal is deep in the weeds of the non-trivial 80% of the work that must be done.

Thanks to capitalism, the work will stall alongside the profits. We'll get 30-50% of the way there, and hit the wall, that being that if we want general purpose AI we will have to pay researchers and developers more and more money for more and more diminishing returns.

Eventually we will hit the point where even though we are 80% of the way there, the bean counters won't justify the expense. "It's good enough, just stop here" they'll say, and then all of the research will be shelved for 5-7 years, then open sourced, and then muddled with for 10 years or so and then the cycle will repeat itself all over again until the right genius with the right background in the right time and right location finally codes the right bit of code or uncovers a new branch that we've overlooked and this all blows up again.

Re:GIMP's 2022 Annual Report by happymellon on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:38PM (#34587572)
Because the same cycle is happening.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/how-chatgpt-could-take-micr...

We are going to end up with Clippy 2.0. Microsoft is going to want it to always nudge towards Microsoft services.

> Hey, it looks like you are trying to build a webservice. Would you like to switch to C# or Typescript?

I have seen this story 100 times before. We have barely scraped VR, but Facebook is bought up the leader and now we have a terrible experience with attempts to lock in all the time. We had barely scraped 3D, but Hollywood decided that it would be best if it were presented as Minions with yo-yos rather than subtle ways of increasing immersion.

We could have had really awesome phones that brought about social changes. Or we could have Apple trying to lock everyone into a chat silo and Google trying to produce an iPhone and Microsoft destroying the only innovative phone manufacturer.

I'm cynical because the folks investing in these things don't have our interests, they want to make a quick buck so they can fuck off to Mars.