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Re:Where have all America’s workers gone? by cscurmudgeon on Friday January 27, 2023 @11:39PM (#34555207)
> we spent decades forcing them to work

How exactly were they forced?

Do they or their family play zero role in this and they are just “forced”.

If people were “forced”, skilled and unskilled immigrants wouldn’t be lining up to enter the US.

The only way this can be fixed is acknowledging a tiny minuscule bit of personal responsibility. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education...

Until we have singularity and order around AI to build stuff out of thin air there is a cost to existence in society.

Re:Where have all America’s workers gone? by orwin on Saturday January 28, 2023 @09:35AM (#34557816)
They were forced because employment is sticky, unlike work. I accept that most workers who worked for the same company for more than five years are de facto forced to work, by habitus. Forced do not mean coerced.

By making employment less sticky (Hello covid), people who felt forced to work stopped, and chose to do something else.

"Personnal responsibility" can exist even if most of our decisions are psychological nudges.