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Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by BolexNOLA on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:32PM (#34537462)
Yeah I feel like you're right on the money on re: the ethics of using someone who is in legal trouble who will have to live with the results. It's not as sexy but they should just build a fake case (or just use an already settled one if possible) and play out the scenario. No reason it wouldn't be just as effective as a "real" case.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by danShumway on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:51PM (#34537749)
I'd have no objections at all to them setting up a fake test case with a real judge or real prosecutors and doing controlled experiments where there's no actual legal risk and where everyone knows it's not a real court case. You're right that it wouldn't be as attention-grabbing, but I suspect it would be a lot more useful for actually determining the AI's capabilities, with basically zero of the ethical downsides. I'd be fully in support of an experiment like that.

Run it multiple times with multiple defendants, set up a control group that's receiving remote advice from actual lawyers, mask which group is which to the judges, then ask the judge(s) at the end to rank the cases and see which defendants did best.

That would be a lot more work, but it would also be much higher quality data than what they were trying to do.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by BolexNOLA on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:15PM (#34538096)
And in some ways it’s less work! The risks of using a real court case are massive if you ask me. We are a wildly litigious country. No amount of waivers will stop an angry American.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by refactor_master on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:57PM (#34540077)
> Run it multiple times with multiple defendants, set up a control group

And also

> That would be a lot more work, but it would also be much higher quality data

I don’t know much about the field of law, but anecdotally it doesn’t strike me as particularly data driven. So I think, even before introducing any kind of AI, the above would be met with a healthy dose of gatekeeping.

Like the whole sport of referencing prior rulings, based on opinions at a point in time doesn’t seem much different than anecdotes to me.

But I’d love to be proven wrong though.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by john_the_writer on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:51PM (#34539385)
It's about volume. A fake case would be expensive to run and running dozens of them a day would be hard.

That said. The consequence of most traffic tickets is increased insurance and a fine. Yes these do have an impact on the accused, but they are the least impactful legal cases, so it would make sense to focus on them as test cases.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by crabmusket on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:43PM (#34539954)
Is this not what moot court is? Seems like a great place to test and refine this kind of technology. The same place lawyers in training are tested and refined.