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Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by db48x on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:13AM (#34529876)
In part I understand what you mean. I think it is extremely important that courtroom procedure doesn’t get so complex that it is impossible for an individual to cope with. In practice a lot of judges go out of their way to make self–representation possible. However, I don’t think that having professional lawyers represents a tragedy. Specialization is very important, and we would all be worse off without it.

Teaching is even more important, and we use professional teachers. Building a house is also an important moment in our lives, and most people would do well to accept the advice of a professional architect.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by jiggywiggy on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:39AM (#34530064)
Yeah but the rules that govern our lives in society shouldn't need a phd to understand.

There are often daily situations where both citizens and police don't know really know what the law is.

Reform is proven to be really hard. But that's the tragedy.

For instance taxes shouldn't really be more complicated then filling in a simple automated form. Also for businesses. And it should really be the burden of the government taxing that it's all clear. But it's not and it's a mess and the burden is put on the people.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by pirate787 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:44AM (#34530094)
This is by design. Governmental systems are "captured" by special interests and made intentionally obtuse and complex as a barrier to entry. Lawyers and judges are a guild that works to make the law complex and extract rents from the productive economy. Over 1/3 of the U.S. Congress are attorneys as well.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by kristiandupont on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:50AM (#34530146)
I honestly don't think there is such a malicious intent behind it. Perhaps in some small instances.

Generally, the fact of the matter is simply that law is highly complex and the way it evolves is almost always by creating new laws, not getting rid of old ones. That's unfortunate obviously, but just like you don't just rewrite the Linux kernel, you can't just reset the legal foundation.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by rcme on Thursday January 26, 2023 @06:20AM (#34530335)
Some, and maybe most, of the complexity is organic. But there are specific instances, like the tax code, that have been kept intentionally complex at the bequest of special interest groups.

And of course, laws are made mostly by lawyers. So they don't have much of an incentive to change things.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by personjerry on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:22AM (#34529941)
I disagree, I think for important things like the rules that govern us (i.e. the legal system) we need to be able to fully understand and interact with them. Imagine if voting was so complicated that you had to pay someone to vote for you!

Likewise, taxes should be simple and understandable and doable. Don't undersell our importance as citizens; We should demand more because we deserve well!

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by ethbr0 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:41AM (#34530074)
Imagine if computing was so complicated that you had to pay someone hundreds or thousands of dollars an hour to program for you.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by hnfong on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:29AM (#34529982)
> Imagine if voting was so complicated that you had to pay someone to vote for you

I think they call this “representative democracy”.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by iinnPP on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:23AM (#34529954)
It is already far too complex for the average American. In other words, it is already too complex.

In fact, it is so complex for the average IQ that even some judges can't do it right, even the basics.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by mandmandam on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:52AM (#34530161)
The American legal system is broken to a Lovecraftian degree.

The complexity is intentional - it's to make lawyers the maximum possible money while avoiding maximum accountability.