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Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by adastra22 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:50PM (#34527781)
Than who advocate for you? Having a local representative s an essential part of getting government by to work for you.
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by Aaron2222 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:53PM (#34527801)
Have a look at Mixed Member Proportional: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_repr...
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by adastra22 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:56PM (#34527817)
I consider it a feature that Congress doesn’t map directly to party voting proportions.
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by Ericson2314 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:47AM (#34528110)
This is smug nonsense. In a PR system there will be more than 2 parties, and Americans that love their "they all suck" badge of honor will find something worth identifying with.
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by ant6n on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:44AM (#34529667)
Moving towards pluralism would be the number one way in which the US could rejuvenate their democracy.
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by Ericson2314 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @09:36AM (#34532064)
Absolutely!
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by adastra22 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @09:39AM (#34532097)
That was unnecessarily dismissive, as I was being quite sincere.

It is a feature, not a bug, that we elect an individual rather than a party. It is likewise a benefit that our distribution of representatives is weighted somewhat by geography and (indirectly) economics rather than purely by population. Should flyover country count less than coastal areas because farming automation has reduced agricultural jobs per acre compared with LA or NYC? Yes, certainly, but to what degree is the question. The industrial and agricultural importance of these areas means that we are better off when we give them larger representation per-capita than they might otherwise expect due to their meagre populations.

The current system is not without faults, such as gerrymandered districts and the various factors that contribute to us having a rigid two-party system. I suspect a lot of people on HN would rather throw it all out and have strict proportional voting and/or equal-population districts. However that would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by badcppdev on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:05AM (#34532501)
Are there districts that are low on people, industry, and agriculture that get representation based purely on their size?
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by Ericson2314 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:22PM (#34542069)
The Senate
Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by Ericson2314 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:21PM (#34542067)
I really still degree on all of that

> It is a feature, not a bug, that we elect an individual rather than a party

Not it is not. Politics is "team sport". Vetting individuals (look at Sinema's bleeding heart eyeroll to pure cravenness transformation) is hard. Vetting organizations is much easier.

> It is likewise a benefit that our distribution of representatives is weighted somewhat by geography and (indirectly) economics rather than purely by population. Should flyover country count less than coastal areas because farming automation has reduced agricultural jobs per acre compared with LA or NYC? Yes, certainly, but to what degree is the question. The industrial and agricultural importance of these areas means that we are better off when we give them larger representation per-capita than they might otherwise expect due to their meagre populations.

This is ridiculous. This is not the 19th century; Industry and Agriculture are big enterprises that are perfectly capable of being run on a national scale. If you want to promote them, do so based on the national interest with industrial policy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_policy. Land-based representation promotes backwards romanticism, not well-engineered modernity.

The Senate giving us stupid things like corn ethanol is not a policy success of unfair representation!

> However that would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Do you really think tons of parliamentary systems around the world are hurting because they through out some sort of "baby" by adoption fair representation?

Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by BongoMcCat on Thursday January 26, 2023 @08:00AM (#34531101)
Why?

I live in a country where I pick a party to represent me in the national government, not a local person, and it seems to work just fine.

Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by defrost on Thursday January 26, 2023 @08:08AM (#34531170)
Scaling - you live in a country the size of California with a quarter of that states population ( ~10 million ).

Large countries have different issues in areas that for you would be two or three whole European countries distant, and countries with larger populations have many multiples of your entire population to represent.

Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by donkeyd on Thursday January 26, 2023 @08:46AM (#34531511)
Those problems should be solved locally and often have no right to be influential on the national level. The fact that some areas are heavily invested in fossil fuel shouldn't cause the nation to stop a transition to renewables, but that's what seems to be happening a lot in the US.

In stead, at a national level, a transition can be started and budget can be created to support the states that will be negatively affected. The way that budget is handled locally will then depend on local politicians who can be voted on and need to show that they're actually doing the right thing locally.

Right now, national level politicians can get reelected locally because they're just obstructionists that want nothing to ever change. They'll never actually have to do anything except fund raise and pretend to care about their constituents by blocking anything those constituents don't like. It's a great way for a couple of people to make lots of money while killing the country.

Re:Ugly Gerry – Gerrymandering font by adastra22 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @09:27AM (#34531938)
If I am having some problem with the federal government, I can call up my local representative and their office will help me sort it out. If it's a situation where I'm being treated unfairly or not according to the law, a sternly written letter from the representative usually sorts things out. If it is a case of the law being unjust, they might get the law changed, if it's not a politically difficult problem.

You might find it surprising that this actually happens in a country of 330M people and just 435 representatives, but it does. In part because only a small percentage of people need this service, but everyone benefits from having it as a contingency plan. Helping a single constituent can pay big dividends at election time as they tell their friends, family, and social media about your help. Likewise, not helping can cause great harm as you alienate your voter base.