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Re:AI Is Not a Horse by hprotagonist on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:35PM (#34482477)
Hmm. my metaphor for AI is as a statistical prediction machine that produces maximally likely output for a given input, conditioned on some historical data.
Re:AI Is Not a Horse by viscanti on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:51PM (#34482615)
Well maybe for DNs but there can be deterministic systems that are learned through RL that aren't stochastic. But it's a good enough metaphor for a big part of what people talk about when they say AI.
Re:AI Is Not a Horse by freitzkriesler on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:59PM (#34482672)
I've been using "AI is algorithmic slight of hand."
Re:AI Is Not a Horse by jfghi on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:09PM (#34482760)
I’d say FGPM for fairly good pattern matching would be a nice descriptor.
Re:AI Is Not a Horse by zmgsabst on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:49PM (#34483111)
In what sense is AI “sleight of hand”, but your intelligence isn’t?
Re:AI Is Not a Horse by freitzkriesler on Monday January 23, 2023 @01:51PM (#34493196)
Real human intelligence comes from a place where we don't understand yet. I recall experiments being done where they could identify where a "thought" started but now how it initiated. Have to find the research now. Whereas AI are just algorithms which read data and process it into schemas IE we know the beginning, middle, and end and is nothing more than a facsimile of what we know as real bonafide intelligence from a human.
Re:AI Is Not a Horse by visarga on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:22PM (#34482873)
Your metaphor fails to indicate the dependence of AI on data. AI can't appear in a void. There must be an environment producing its data, then AI development is conditioned on the environment. We forget about that when we just focus on the learned model. But without all the external support structure there is no AI.

Let's take a simple case - AlphaZero. Its environment was just a Go board, and rules simple. Knowing who won the game easy to test at the end of the game. So this led to a massive number of self-play games. In a few days AZ beat humans, and it was our own game, with 2 millennia head start.

This is how much the environment and the external support structure influences AI development. "Maximally likely output for a given input" depends on it.

Re:AI Is Not a Horse by mcswell on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:18PM (#34483871)
"Your metaphor fails to indicate the dependence of AI on data." I'm not sure how you conclude that; the post you're responding to says exactly "...conditioned on some historical data." No historical data, no conditioning, and therefore no AI, just random bits.

And fwiw, you could say much the same about human beings. There must be an environment producing our oxygen, water, food. Indeed, it's not clear what a single human raised in isolation would be like, even assuming the oxygen, water, food. Not very intelligent seeming, I would guess; perhaps not even with much of a language. Fortunately, no one has performed the experiment, but we've come close: deaf people raised by non-deaf parents in a non-deaf community appear to have a sparse sort of sign language. Only when they're put together with other deaf people does a more typical, fluent sign language arise, with a full grammar. (This we know from the deaf people in Nicaragua.)