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Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by kibwen on Sunday January 22, 2023 @03:36PM (#34481950)
At the same time, it's not necessarily pleasant to consider the prospect of an internet where 99.9% of traffic is generated by AI-powered spambots engaged in adversarial games with AI-powered anti-spambots.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by sharkweek on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:30PM (#34482442)
But it does make for an interesting idea as a plot device in speculative fiction!
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by yieldcrv on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:46PM (#34483631)
Cyberpunk 2077 features this reality. Its not discussed much, but basically only local small scale networking is done (like citywide scale) because the broader internet protocol has either crumbled or is polluted by adversarial bots. So its pretty taboo to go there or simply unused.

I'm sure someone else knows the lore better. There is a lot of supporting literature, just not a key component of any stories.

Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by thatguy0900 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:43PM (#34484046)
I think the lore is that the wider internet was intentionally taken down by a virus made by a master hacker in the past. Any attempts to connect with it gets you killed by either the virus or "feral ais", but some of the mega corps pay people to explore it every once in a while looking for stuff.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by ThrowawayTestr on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:46PM (#34482567)
Honestly the most likely source of computers becoming self-aware.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by ben_w on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:59PM (#34482679)
And a plausible way for them — on either team — to take over completely. Both treating us not even as pets but as grass. In this analogy the good AI are gardeners, the bad AI are cow farmers.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by nwellnhof on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:57PM (#34482666)
That's basically the plot of the novel Avogadro Corp by William Hertling.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by honkler on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:31PM (#34482933)
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by atorodius on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:58PM (#34483218)
I thought we are already nearly there? I remember reading 90%+ of emails are spam and this was a while back
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by danielheath on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:17PM (#34483422)
90% is a lower figure for how much of HTTP traffic is bots scraping sites, too.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by cortesoft on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:20PM (#34483449)
Why is that bad? As long as it is invisible to humans and doesn't cause bottlenecks, who cares?
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by mahogany on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:59PM (#34484151)
For one, it's a waste of energy.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by resonious on Sunday January 22, 2023 @11:07PM (#34485361)
Banks also waste energy deterring people from robbing them. Internet or not, we'll have to stomach a good amount of bad stuff in order to get to the good stuff.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by shagie on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:38PM (#34483575)
If you haven't read Accelerando, I'll suggest it - https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/acceler...
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by jvm___ on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:57PM (#34483727)
https://maggieappleton.com/ai-dark-forest

The open internet will be a dark forest, beautiful but mostly populated by metal-brains, meatb-brains will retreat to their human only spaces, local Facebook or Instagram where you know everyone in person or WhatsApp chat groups.

Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by shagie on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:01PM (#34483763)
Interesting - going to have to read this more in depth.

I also note that I missed it when it went past the front page at the start of the month. For any others who also missed it - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34243709

Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by Oxidation on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:57PM (#34484139)
Also the Reticulum of Anathem which was mostly full of spam-generators that were run by the spam-filter vendors to make their products necessary.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by shagie on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:53PM (#34484492)
Btw, the chants from the book are real (and part of the interludes if you get the audiobook - which I recommend since the initially boring but ultimately important parts it aren't skippable without effort).

https://soundcloud.com/ztutz/sets/iolet-music-from-the-world...

The Thousander Chant is fun if you've got the right audio setup.

https://longnow.org/store/iolet/

> In Neal Stephenson’s new novel Anathem, the Decanarian Erasmus’ daily chore is to ring the Clock bells in his “Math” in a special sequence each day as he chants out the sequence. Those sequences and chants are all based on mathematical formulae that composer and coder David Stutz has put together into an album called Iolet.

Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by ogennadi on Monday January 23, 2023 @08:46AM (#34488641)
I like the thousander chant but I only have regular laptop speakers. What do you recommend to really "get" the song? What would I hear beyond those super low basses?
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by shagie on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:39PM (#34492133)
A good pair of headphones would be my next choice.

It's not much "under" it - but rather the fill your senses with what it would be like to be in the Mynster as each nave did their chats in the great octagonal hall. And while its a passage about the Hundreders...

> We sauntered across the meadow to the Mynster. Even so, we got there in plenty of time, and ended up in the front row, closest to the screen. Voco continued ringing for some minutes after we arrived. Then the eight ringers filed down from their balcony and found places farther back. A choir of Hundreders came out into the chancel and began a monophonic chant.

Or the description of a Thousander chat

> ... As I walked toward it my perceptions cleared suddenly and I shook my head in amazement at my own silliness in having imagined it was an amphibian or a truck. It was plainly a human voice. Singing. Or rather droning, for he had been stuck on the same note the whole time I’d been awake.

> The note changed slightly. Okay, so it wasn’t a drone. It was a chant. A very, very slow one.

> I could have stood there watching and listening for hours. I got the idea—which might have been just my imagination—that {spoilers} was singing a cosmographical chant: a requiem for the stars that were being swallowed up in the dawn. Certainly it was music of cosmographical slowness. Some of the notes went on for longer than I could hold my breath. He must have some trick of breathing and singing at the same time.

Just let the sound fill everything.

Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by Freeboots on Monday January 23, 2023 @02:18AM (#34486337)
Also in Reamde and later Fall. I forget exactly, but i think in Reamde they flood the internet with shit, and then some years later in Fall everyone has curated echo chambers of content, such that people signed up to different streams are basically living in different realities. Which i guess is just the logical conclusion of what we have now.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by yieldcrv on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:47PM (#34483642)
Cyberpunk 2077 features a world after this has happened. Not because it happened, its just after. If there is a reference to an older internet it features its disuse due to this.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by nbardy on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:06PM (#34484192)
I think the opportunity cost of better employee will make it hard for that to scale.

If you’re that good at scaling systems like that someone with legit traffic would be able to pay more than the spam companies.

Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by Tsiklon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:26PM (#34484327)
Part of this is what I imagine is behind the “Blackwall” in the Cyberpunk universe.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by epicureanideal on Sunday January 22, 2023 @11:39PM (#34485537)
There are still solutions in that case. Email addresses only allocated to verified humans, which only accept email from the same addresses or specifically allowed outside email addresses.
Re:Bypassing Gmail's spam filters with ChatGPT by sangnoir on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:07AM (#34485718)
Every day we get closer to the Slug from Accelerando (by @cstross): a self-owned sentient corporation/419 scam