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Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by chaoz_ on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:48AM (#34476111)
I really want to agree, but those are different tasks. Apple and Amazon attempt to focus on monetizable parts of NLP flows meaning optimization for narrow use cases (play music, order me a book, etc) and OpenAI can share an impressive chat bot, to just see how that plays out and generate extra PR.

Pretty sure Apple and Amazon are capable of improving their voice-assistants, the question is whether they decide to invest into it. OpenAI is relatively young and is "quicker" than large orgs, as it's a startup with top-notch talent.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by comboy on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:21AM (#34476308)
Oh come on, I haven't tested it lately but for like 5 years, if you asked Google, "play Mozart next" it would say it can't find "Mozart next".

Even with the most common use cases it doesn't even try. One coder, one evening, simple pattern matching + a few rules and it could be improved so much. I simply don't understand how they can keep it so bad for so long. There were more examples like this, I don't really have a list since I gave up on it.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by fragmede on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:57AM (#34476513)
I don't know what you're talking about. "play Mozart next" opens Spotify and selects Mozart for me. if anything, it's too eager to play music. Sometimes it thinks turning off the lights is a request to play a song.
Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by criddell on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:09AM (#34476572)
Now try “play two Mozart songs, a Bruce Springsteen song, and then four flaming lips songs” or ask it to play Dark Side of the Moon in alphabetical order.
Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by diclofenac on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:00AM (#34476930)
If these were actual requests humans would make, I’m sure it would not be a difficult task to implement such functionality.

Your example requests are at best extreme outliers, and not good tests of smart home assistants.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by rcarmo on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:09AM (#34477009)
I would be happy to be able to schedule lighting and media properly. Just the basics actually working would be great.
Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by criddell on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:03AM (#34477486)
I think the point is that you shouldn’t have to explicitly implement any of this stuff. It should “understand” basic commands that include sequences and counts.

It seems like ChatGPT could be a giant leap ahead of the current crop of home assistants.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by visarga on Sunday January 22, 2023 @12:53PM (#34480136)
> One coder, one evening, simple pattern matching + a few rules and it could be improved so much. I simply don't understand how they can keep it so bad for so long.

Exactly what I've been thinking in the last 10 years. It was ludicrously bad, and not improving even on obvious things. They just sat on it.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by krsdcbl on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:02AM (#34476200)
I think that's rather a case of hindsight as we now realise and agree that Alexa, Siri etc won't evolve past this crude monetization scheme.

They began as very much what you describe though, to generate pr and make their underlying ecosystems seem more attractive and advanced.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by ignoramous on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:53AM (#34476484)
Not really. Amazon has already started working on "generalizable intelligence" [0] for Alexa inspired by GPT-3 (as they say so themselves) and released to production at least one model (viz Alexa Teacher Model) based on that effort: https://archive.is/gItZq / https://www.amazon.science/blog/scaling-multilingual-virtual...

[0] https://archive.is/UlCpM / https://www.amazon.science/blog/alexas-head-scientist-on-con...

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by Karunamon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:31AM (#34477162)
Worth mentioning that article is from last June, but in December Amazon laid off 10,000 people, most of which were in the Alexa division.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/12/06/amazon-stock-new...

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by jldugger on Sunday January 22, 2023 @03:43PM (#34482026)
> in December Amazon laid off 10,000 people, most of which were in the Alexa division

Maybe the new tech worked _really well_.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by shagie on Sunday January 22, 2023 @11:48AM (#34479229)
The question is what are the respective companies trying to get it to do.

Apple appears to try to make Siri an well defined interface to specific apps that offer specific services.

Looking at https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit you can see specific intents and workflows that Siri can hook into. This makes it rather limited but for the things that it can do, it does. To that end, Apple isn't trying to monetize Siri - its trying to be a hands free interface to specific tasks that apps can do.

Amazon was trying to make Alexa a general tool (and they've reduced those capabilities over the years) running on AWS with additional goals of providing additional monetization routes. Things like "A book by an author you follow was released, would you like to add it to your cart?" Personally, I never found the chat more than a curiosity and even less so now that there is no knowledge engine backing the general knowledge questions.

Re:ChatGPT in an iOS Shortcut – Worlds Smartest HomeKit Voic... by d0mine on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:17AM (#34476629)
The article mentions that “API will cost around $0.014 per request.”