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Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by bamboozled on Saturday January 21, 2023 @08:25PM (#34473059)
It's a big call though, to risk starting a war and pissing off the population if they're already not to happy about Covid19's handling.

In contrast, Hitler made Germans feel like they were heading for a better place so he garnered support, Xi though, doesn't seem as charismatic and popular. So it's going to be a much harder sell to start an all out hot war over something that means basically nothing to 99% of the population.

Also invading a country is one thing, hanging onto it is another, Syria, Afganistan, Vietnam etc for example. China isn't exactly going to make friends taking the country by force.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by throwaway290 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @08:31PM (#34473108)
Population's attitude has been prepared by the party well in advance. Lots of people are pissed off because Taiwan is not invaded yet, not the other way around.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by another_story on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:13PM (#34473434)
Are they really? A small but vocal (and sometimes tate supported) group of people are actually mad. Another group will mindlessly mouth such sentiment, but the majority seem not to care and just want to get on with their lives.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by honkler on Saturday January 21, 2023 @10:05PM (#34473806)
tyranny of the minority, as taleb would say.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by bamboozled on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:12AM (#34474861)
You would have very little chance of knowing what Chinese people are thinking by the fact that thinking the wrong thing, let alone vocalizing it could maybe ruin you or your families life.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by throwaway290 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:32AM (#34477714)
If literally all people whose opinion matters to you say and provide sound arguments that Taiwan needs to be annexed then if you are normal human (not a psycho) you'd eventually believe the same. And then who cares what those people really thought, because their expressed opinion is the only one that mattered. Sad, yes. The big issue with totalitarian regimes I guess.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by 8note on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:36PM (#34473600)
Xi has sold that Taiwan is part of china, and that it's weird that Chinese people can't visit without a passport

China is continuing to hold tibet as an invader of course, same with Xinjiang. America and western powers doesn't guarantee failure.

Eg. Afghanistan has never been held by westerners, but has been by the persians many times

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by tbihl on Sunday January 22, 2023 @12:39AM (#34474680)
I asked some Chinese college students about this about 10 years ago. "What is Taiwan?" "Province of China." "But don't you need a visa to visit?" "It's a special province."
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by bamboozled on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:11AM (#34474855)
Chinese college students are very likely to tell you one thing and believe another, it's a symptom of growing up in a place where having the wrong thing can get you in a lot of trouble.

People aren't that dumb, even if they are brainwashed.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by throwaway290 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:43AM (#34477808)
How can you assume a person believes something other than what they say when there is no way for you to measure what they think except through their actions and their words?
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by bamboozled on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:23PM (#34483473)
Because I believe most people deep down don't want war, or invasion and aggression.

Most people given the choice would rather live peacefully with others. The outlier here is there is 1 billion+ Chinese furious and ready to invade China. Not the other way around.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by throwaway290 on Monday January 23, 2023 @04:10AM (#34486874)
That's your philosophical position then, are humans innately good or not. I wish it was true but in the entire history of humanity tribes fought for resources, did they change...
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by hnfong on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:20AM (#34475989)
Try replacing "Taiwan" with "Hong Kong" and not looking like a fool.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by tbihl on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:26PM (#34480501)
Could you explain further?
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by hnfong on Sunday January 22, 2023 @02:19PM (#34481253)
People from Mainland China need a special permit to enter Hong Kong. I don't think anyone doubts Hong Kong is part of the PRC by now. The fact that there are border and immigration controls within China isn't something new. Of course with an independent government and military Taiwan is de-facto independent, but having to get a "visa" to visit Taiwan doesn't really mean much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit-Entry_Permit_for_Travelli...

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by ssnistfajen on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:47AM (#34475043)
>it's weird that Chinese people can't visit without a passport

They do visit without a passport, the same applies to ROC citizens in reverse. That's the whole point of the political amiguity on relations between the PRC and ROC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_%26_Entry_Permit

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by eyelidlessness on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:51PM (#34473707)
> In contrast, Hitler made Germans feel like they were heading for a better place so he garnered support

I’m not going to comment on this, just quoting for posterity.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by komali2 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @11:15PM (#34474198)
Xi is incredibly popular across the PRC, and the textbooks are changing to enforce a new cult of personality. I wouldn't risk speculating on his popularity as a measure of whether or not an imperialist invasion would happen.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by ssnistfajen on Sunday January 22, 2023 @02:05AM (#34475115)
The whitepaper protests clearly shows he doesn't enjoy incredible popularity, so are the massive censorship term lists that consist solely of nicknames of Xi. Why would so many of these terms exist if everybody liked him?

Leaked censorship list of 564 terms containing references to Xi Jinping from Xiaohongshu, a popular social media app, circa 2020: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/%E5%B0%8F%E7%BA%A2%E4%B9...

Leaked censorship list of 35467 terms containing references to Xi Jinping from LeTV, a once-popular video streaming service, issued directly from the State Council Information Office, circa 2016: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/%E5%9B%BD%E6%96%B0%E5%8A...

The bottom line is an invasion of Taiwan carries a high risk of ruin for the ruling clique in the CCP. There were multiple times when the ROC was in much more vulnerable positions both militarily and diplomatically (pre-Korean War and post-US-PRC approachment) and invasions didn't happen then. The PRC is much more export-dependent than Russia despite all the nationalist hysteria, and ruining all that with sanctions is going to do far more damage to themselves compared to simply keeping the propaganda machine running with inciteful editorials.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by lesuorac on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:43AM (#34490121)
> In contrast, Hitler made Germans feel like they were heading for a better place so he garnered support

I mean, the Nazi's cap'd out at 37% [1] when they initially became the largest party and that dropped to 33% by the next vote. The average German never felt that he would lead them to a better place (otherwise it'd be 50+% not 37%) and more Germans felt Nazis were doing a poor job once they started governing.

Also, this is a First-Past-The-Poll situation so parties's popularity will be inflated in the voting results. i.e. more than 10x people voted for Nazi Party than were registered members; presumably the vast majority of Germans thought a different party would do better but between the Nazis or the Communists they picked the Nazis.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power...