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Re:Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s Rival to ChatGPT by astrange on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:56AM (#34424766)
IIRC the ChatGPT paper actually says the verbosity is an unintended effect of the human raters preferring longer/more detailed answers.

Long answers from GPT are unusually obnoxious because of a way the decoder works; it emits words with a much more constant rate of perplexity than human text does (this is how GPT-vs-human detectors work) which makes it sound stuffy and monotone.

Re:Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s Rival to ChatGPT by Raphaellll on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:14AM (#34424846)
There is a paper?
Re:Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s Rival to ChatGPT by zone411 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:17AM (#34424863)
The grandparent is probably talking about the InstructGPT paper? But I don't remember seeing a preference for longer responses in that paper.
Re:Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s Rival to ChatGPT by astrange on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:25AM (#34424899)
I meant the blog post.

https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

> The model is often excessively verbose and overuses certain phrases, such as restating that it’s a language model trained by OpenAI. These issues arise from biases in the training data (trainers prefer longer answers that look more comprehensive) and well-known over-optimization issues.12

> Stiennon, Nisan, et al. “Learning to summarize with human feedback.” Advances in Neural Information Processing Systems 33 (2020): 3008-3021. ↩

> Gao, Leo, John Schulman, and Jacob Hilton. “Scaling Laws for Reward Model Overoptimization.” arXiv preprint arXiv:2210.10760 (2022). ↩

Re:Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s Rival to ChatGPT by s-macke on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:14AM (#34425141)
I have read in a Deepmind Blog post, that language model AIs gives more reliable and correct answers, if it is forced into some Chain-of-thought prompt. Especially for questions, which involve math.

Something like "Think about it first, before you give the answer". Could it be that ChatGPT is being forced in this direction?