In the US you owe child support even if you're raped. So it's not necessarily even a decision.

children are entitled to have an adult take care of them and look after their needs, and society needs its citizens to shoulder these burdens, and when they don't a lot of suffering ensues. I have no sympathy for your position.

Bravely coming out against... rape victims?

a child born from a rape is entitled to child support of which men? it's as if that part of his comment made no sense at all

> When Male Rape Victims Are Accountable for Child Support

> When Shane Seyer was 12, he was sexually exploited by his 16-year-old babysitter Colleen Hermesmann. She became pregnant with Seyer’s child in 1989 and was charged with statutory rape shortly afterward. Instead of being convicted of rape, Hermesmann was declared a juvenile offender under the non-sexual offense of “contributing to child misconduct.” Seyer was subsequently court-ordered to pay child support.

> In 1993, at the age of 15, Seyer appealed this decision to the Kansas Supreme Court, arguing he should not be liable for these payments. He maintained that his babysitter (Hermesmann) took advantage of him sexually when he was too young to give consent.

> The Kansas Supreme Court ruled against him. The judgment stated that because Seyer initially consented to the sexual encounters and never told his parents what was happening, he was responsible for supporting the child.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma...

Holding up the ridiculous edge case that almost never happens and needs reform -- rape victims that end up as a non-custodial parent and thus owing child support -- to prevent an honest discussion of the whole issue (with more common injustices but also complexity and nuance) sucks. It doesn't help us move forward and improve the world.

Ah yes, the thing that almost never happens but when it happens you deserved it.

This is not what I said.

I hope you misread who you're replying to.

The sad reality is that no one in this world is entitled to anything. Not even kids. Kids get what they get because of willful charity not entitlement. Some kids get more charity other kids get less, life is unfair.

This idea that all kids are fucking angels who deserve everything is absolutely insane. Realize Hitler was a kid once too.

My kids don't deserve shit. They get what they get because I'm instinctually obligated by natural selection to love them irrationally and provide charity to them so they maximize their chances of reproducing and spreading my genes.

That's my take-away here too.

More like don't marry a psycho and maintain communication...

From watching other people’s lives this seems way easier on paper than in reality. It’s a huge risk no matter what.

There're plenty of safeguards the society has developed over a long time.

But if somebody heads for relationship straight from romance movies with drama all around and sex is #1 criteria... Then outcome is pretty clear.