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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by nolevels on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:28PM (#34396090)
Has network latency improved much since this article's date? Bandwidth definitely, but latency?
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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by yardstick on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:34PM (#34396129)
Yes. Most people back in 2001 were not using fibre. Dial-up, DSL, etc are all much higher latency. In Dial-up you are easily talking at least 100ms slower, if not a lot more.
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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by mmh0000 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:39PM (#34396170)
Ah. How I would have killed for a 100ms ping back in my 56k modem days. My average ping on any Quake2 server was 250-300ms.

It’s amazing how times change, now I get annoyed when my ping is higher than 30ms.

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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by bbarnett on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:27PM (#34396462)
It’s amazing how times change, now I get annoyed when my ping is higher than 30ms.

That's because 2sec of ping is used to request 124 fonts, each using one char.

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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by scaramanga on Monday January 16, 2023 @01:00AM (#34397346)
man, from my memory, if you were getting 250, you were incredibly lucky and probably lived close to the exchange :)

300-350 was more the norm for where i was.

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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by acdha on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:50PM (#34396249)
Yes: dialup modem latency was on the order of 100-250ms, DSL 10-70ms, and cable modems 5-40ms.

Sitting on my couch using Wi-Fi over cable, I have 18ms to Google.com – call it a full order of magnitude better than a disk up user despite Wi-Fi adding 7ms.

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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by the__alchemist on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:43PM (#34396544)
You bet. Mangonel micro, archer kiting, cavalry bluff charges, deer pushing etc are all things you regularly see today that wouldn't have been feasible in the old versions. (in online play)
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Re:1500 Archers on a 28.8: Network Programming in Age of Emp... by toast0 on Monday January 16, 2023 @12:48AM (#34397268)
Last mile latency has been reduced a lot as people moved to broadband, but also on longer distance routing where there are more paths from A to B than twenty years ago, and some of them are physically shorter. Higher bandwidth interconnects also mean less time in transit; it's not a lot, but it is some.

Also, some early broadband networks backhauled too much traffic to central locations. I recall commonly seeing traceroutes from my home in orange county, ca going to kansas, and then coming back to servers in los angeles. I still see some traffic that leaves my metro area only to come back, but it's less frequent, and it's usually only going one or two states instead of halfway across the country.

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