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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by solarpunk on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:56AM (#34390291)
This page has stuck with me since I read it regarding openbsd. It's a bit mean spirited, but I think openbsd mostly benefits from its own obscurity. https://isopenbsdsecu.re/

But the nice parts of ChromeOS, as far as security properties go are the way it can be "power washed" between usages. Along with a desktop Linux system that has less binaries installed at it's base than most. And things that are built in are typically built atop chrome's sandbox.

I used to joke with my friends who ran TAILS Linux that my grandma with her Chromebook had the same threat model.

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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by lcall on Sunday January 15, 2023 @02:50PM (#34392591)
No other general-purpose OS that runs on my laptop has the track record of OpenBSD: only 2 remotely exploitable security holes in the default installation since ~1996. And then the other mitigations let you control carefully what more attack surface to expose--those mitigations dramatically reduce it. I appreciate the general lack of privilege escalation 0-day exploits, as seen over time.
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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by thesuperbigfrog on Sunday January 15, 2023 @04:43PM (#34393823)
Serious question: How big is OpenBSD as a target for malware, exploits, viruses, etc. ?

OpenBSD's track record is impressive but is it a significant target compared to Windows, MacOS, and Linux?

It is easy to say "only two bullets have ever penetrated my armor" when hardly anyone is shooting at you. I do not know if this is the case because I have never used OpenBSD and I do not know how widely it is used (headless servers, embedded devices, etc.).

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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by lcall on Monday January 16, 2023 @12:13PM (#34402836)
If that were true you might also expect FreeBSD and NetBSD to have similarly low levels of exploits, and my general impression (not research, just reading around) is that they have had more exploits in that timeframe (privilege escalation bugs, whatever).

You can read more about OBSD's security by going to https://openbsd.org then clicking the "Security" link near the top left.

ps: FreeBSD seems to have more users than OpenBSD, and NetBSD seems to have fewer users than OpenBSD.

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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by charcircuit on Sunday January 15, 2023 @07:11PM (#34395129)
On OpenBSD do you even need to compromise the kernel? Can't your normal user account install a backdoored browser, steal your ssh keys, DDOS people, start a VNC server, keylog, etc.
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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by lcall on Monday January 16, 2023 @12:16PM (#34402876)
I guess that is possible if you try to do so -- compile your own stuff, or download and run it. But if you act normally instead, installing just what you actually need, from the package repository (where most things are "pledged" and "unveiled" which adds some impressive protections), I think the chances are much lower than with other OSes.

Also I separate things by user account, so I don't do my general browsing as the same user that does my programming, which is again separate from bank access, which is separate from .... So the kernel is providing a lot of protections.

(And I usually browse without images and javascript, which is not OS-specific but a suggestion. Many things I use don't require it, and I can flip it on or configure it specifically for those that do.)

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