Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by jimscard on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:32PM
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The article states that they get 2 years of free rent. In exchange, the property owner gets the use of the deposit money. From what I can tell, the scheme depends on property values going up, so that when one tenant leaves, the owner can get another tenant to put down a larger deposit, part of which they use to pay back the first tenant etc.
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Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by hsbauauvhabzb on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:51PM
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Isn’t this normally called a Ponzi scheme?
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by IncRnd on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:54PM
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No, this isn't close to a Ponzi scheme. A Ponzi scheme is fraud where profits are paid to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by fsckboy on Sunday January 15, 2023 @03:50AM
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you mean simulated or pretend profits
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by IncRnd on Sunday January 15, 2023 @03:15PM
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The word profit refers to the profit of the earlier investors.
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by fsckboy on Monday January 16, 2023 @09:40PM
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when fraud and bankruptcy courts unravel an investment scheme, they don't "claw back" distributed profits, but they do demand the return of the ponzi's payments that are meant to appear to be profits but were simply purloined from the earlier investors, is what I was referring to. The courts do not consider those to be profits.
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by xyzzyz on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:13PM
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It does not. The landlord can just invest the deposit, and then return the principal to the tenant when he leaves, keeping the interest.
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by JCharante on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:41PM
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At that point how is it better than the tenant investing the jeonse money and using the returns from the investment to pay rent?
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by kijin on Saturday January 14, 2023 @11:36PM
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The landlord tends to get better returns on their investment, because they likely own multiple houses and they can leverage the money to buy even more, which in turn go up in value. What this means for the tenant is that the amount they save on rent is significantly more than the returns they would get by investing the jeonse money themselves.
But this only works when interest rates are low and housing prices keep going up. Neither condition is true anymore, so now there's a sharp increase in rentals compared to jeonse.
Re:Death of Korea's 'apartment king' leaves 100s in property...
by lifthrasiir on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:52PM
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The very existence of Jeonse affects monthly rents, making Jeonse a worthy candidate to consider to tenants.