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Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by antiatheist on Saturday January 14, 2023 @08:49PM (#34385988)
"temperature lift as high as 25°C using a voltage strength of ~0.22 volts."

Sounds impressive, but I know little about the field, and don't have access to the full paper.

What kind of ionic solution are they using?

Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by RandomWorker on Sunday January 15, 2023 @01:00AM (#34387112)
Supplement material contains everything even the material selection method, what they used as materials, modelling results, and a design of the device used.
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by 0x5345414e on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:28PM (#34386211)
So it’s a solid and it melts, absorbing heat, then it must turn back into a solid, releasing heat. I’m curious to see how they move the solid back to where it started to complete the cycle. Maybe the material doesn’t move at all, it’s on some kind of revolving assembly? It’s just that in modern refrigeration systems, the evaporator isn’t necessarily that close to the condenser, so with a solid I can see this being awkward in some situations.
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by piyh on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:05PM (#34386388)
Refrigerant pellets could be transferred like grain or wood pellets. Augurs, conveyors, or pneumatic.

If you could get it to solidify into a powder or partially solidify you could come up with alternatives, but you'd get in trouble with frozen lines.

Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by moloch-hai on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:47PM (#34386551)
The heat could be moved around via a different liquid or gas that does not need to undergo phase change.
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by moloch-hai on Sunday January 15, 2023 @05:03AM (#34388225)
Adding that water and propylene glycol have been used for this in a few places.
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by 0x5345414e on Sunday January 15, 2023 @04:28PM (#34393640)
True, that’s pretty common in industrial and commercial settings as well. Though here I’m thinking more in terms of a residential setting. Relying on a secondary fluid loop would likely raise the cost quite a bit due to the extra components required.

They’ve raised the global warming issue about current refrigerants but what really matters is the economics of isocaloric vs. vapor compression because there are more modern refrigerants that have quite low global warming potential.

Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by RandomWorker on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:57AM (#34387096)
You have two of them or more in the assembly, you fully saturate one side, and desaturate the other. Then you switch the direction you pump. You have losses in heating and cooling the respective sides.
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by jbm on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:33PM (#34386242)
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by yarg on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:35PM (#34386506)
This once again has me wondering about quantum dots - wondering if quantum dots can be used for refrigeration (there're papers as far back as '93).

I figured they'd have to be infrared, and then I got distracted by the difficulties producing dots that large[1].

It seems that there's been some trouble scaling up to that scale (though scaling down into the UV would be even more problematic).

[1] - https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1500079

Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by NGC404 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @06:25AM (#34388612)
That is indeed interesting to think about. What exact mechanism did you had in mind for thermal energy transport?
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by yarg on Sunday January 15, 2023 @02:35PM (#34392441)
Electrical. Probably very naïve of me.
Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by kragen on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:04AM (#34386873)
is this on a preprint server or something anywhere

the website only wants to show me the abstract

Re:Ionocaloric Refrigeration Cycle by xenonite on Sunday January 15, 2023 @03:47AM (#34387889)
Is it adequate to use this method for heating?