News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:British Motorway Database by danw1979 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @07:37AM (#34379819)
Some fantastic and also horrifying footage of the newly opened M1 from 1959.

https://youtu.be/khZQ4xqQJCM

Watch until the end for the AA man’s brilliant anecdote…

There was also a brilliant documentary series a few years back about the building of the motorways - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007xr62

The conditions in which the trans-Pennine M62 were built were quite something.

Re:British Motorway Database by londons_explore on Saturday January 14, 2023 @07:46AM (#34379874)
> Watch until the end for the AA man’s brilliant anecdote…

> At one point, I threw petrol[gasoline] across the motorway and lit it to try and warn them [of the accident ahead in the fog].

> But still, people still drove through it, and you could hear in the fog, bangs of more people crashing.

> [Comentator]. But nonetheless, a carnival atmosphere prevailed.

These were happier times... When even as people crash, burn, and die, people have a happy outlook on life. What happened?

Re:British Motorway Database by recuter on Saturday January 14, 2023 @08:08AM (#34380033)
Hard Times Create Strong Men, Strong Men Create Good Times, Good Times Create Weak Men, Weak Men Create Hard Times.
Re:British Motorway Database by pestatije on Saturday January 14, 2023 @08:41AM (#34380254)
Generational dynamics...same concept as "the first generation makes it the second generation spends it and the third generation blows it"
Re:British Motorway Database by andrepd on Saturday January 14, 2023 @04:51PM (#34384512)
A tired cliché with no relation to reality.
Re:British Motorway Database by recuter on Sunday January 15, 2023 @04:02AM (#34387953)
Sure, none whatsoever.
Re:British Motorway Database by blibble on Saturday January 14, 2023 @08:44AM (#34380266)
seems not very different to today

every time I see a red X over a lane on a motorway gantry (meaning: lane closed) there's people driving in it at full speed

which is why "smart" motorways are so dangerous

Re:British Motorway Database by ectopod on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:10AM (#34380427)
An automatic driving ban for passing under (being generous) the second red cross on a lane would weed out the arseholes. Just enforcing the existing law would help. The cameras and anpr are in place so it should be cheap to implement. But whenever such a thing is suggested motorists claim it's a conspiracy to empty their pockets.
Re:British Motorway Database by dazc on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:17AM (#34380478)
A recent development is that the red x is now enforced with a penalty notice, alas not so severe as necessary to eliminate the behaviour entirely.
Re:British Motorway Database by scott_w on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:18PM (#34381912)
This reminds me of a tweet last year of a driver claiming a cyclist with a camera caught his dad using his phone while driving, leading to him being barred from driving and losing his job.

When someone highlighted that the 6 point penalty meant this was at least his 2nd road traffic offence, he replied “yes but that’s not the point.”

I honestly believe some people are incapable of learning and banning them for their offences is really the only answer to make the roads safe.

Re:British Motorway Database by andrepd on Saturday January 14, 2023 @04:53PM (#34384526)
An automated driving ban for many things would considerably improve road safety.
Re:British Motorway Database by dazc on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:09AM (#34380418)
Smart motorways/Dumb drivers

There is also a temporary speed limit that 99% of drivers simply can not obey and that is 40 MPH, it's as if there is some external force at play?

Re:British Motorway Database by iso1631 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:36AM (#34380600)
Sometimes there are speed limits - with red circles. Most obey that IME

Then there's the advisory limits, without the red circuits, which tend to be ignored

Re:British Motorway Database by scott_w on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:19PM (#34381930)
Because they’re enforced by cameras ;-)

I do find it amusing watching people slam their brakes on for school safety zones… at 8pm.

Re:British Motorway Database by chewbaxxa on Saturday January 14, 2023 @05:04PM (#34384588)
Problem is that most of the time the signs are wrong.
Re:British Motorway Database by kubb on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:13AM (#34380876)
People are still happy when new motorways open, but they're used to them and expect them to be around, so it's not quite as much of a carnival atmosphere anymore as with the first one.
Re:British Motorway Database by scrlk on Saturday January 14, 2023 @08:47AM (#34380289)
> Watch until the end for the AA man’s brilliant anecdote…

Re: fog on early motorways - there's an interesting article on roads.org about the development of modern British road signs. A section of that article talks about the early signs that were used to warn of fog: https://www.roads.org.uk/articles/mixed-signals/yellow-peril...

Re:British Motorway Database by danw1979 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:23AM (#34380966)
A great photo of the early M1 in that article showing the soft shoulder and no barrier in the central reservation.
Re:British Motorway Database by beardyw on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:06AM (#34380390)
I remember as a child being told we were going down the newly opened M1 "which is completely straight". I sat up (unconstrained by seatbelt) behind my dad expecting to be able to see London in the far distance, 80 miles away. Turned out it was not my idea of straight.