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Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by mncharity on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:59PM (#34345579)
The blog[1] has getting started info for the current IDE[2]. It uses Tau Prolog[3].

[1] https://toblotron.com/blog/ [2] https://toblotron.com/praxis/0.1.0/ [3] http://tau-prolog.org/

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by simplify on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @05:55PM (#34346264)
This is really cool! I was just thinking the other day, it would be nice to have Prolog-like interactions for excel/tabular data. Excel is useful, but getting insights into data relationships can be hard or impossible for certain queries.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Can't wait to play around with it.

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by jomoho on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:20PM (#34346516)
It would be helpful to have a tutorial how to use the IDE, preferably a video, I just spent 10 minutes with it and can't seem to figure it out. I doubt that it's a lack of intelligence on my side. Even though, one never knows.

I also got some 404 for some css files

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by imglorp on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @09:06PM (#34348148)
I can't either. The blog and screenshot show a dark grid canvas but I can't get that far, just the three panes with the project setup, the query pane, and what might be a module browser.
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by mdaniel on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @09:47PM (#34348506)
Right-click on the modelName in the right-hand pane, choose "Add rules page", then click on the "Page nr0" that appears under it

Beyond that, I'm with you that this thing needs a tutorial

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ah-hah: buried in the blog noise is a link to the example data, which boots up into the rules view: https://toblotron.com/praxis/0.1.0/?exampleModel=family.0.1....

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by imglorp on Thursday January 12, 2023 @06:49PM (#34361999)
yep thank you
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by cm2187 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:41PM (#34346735)
I am curious who is the target audience. I find that visual programming tends to address a very narrow audience of people who are ready to invest a lot of time to learn a tool, but will not learn simple syntax like sql or python.
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by mattigames on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:58PM (#34346921)
Pretty sure "Blueprints" by Unreal Engine is a visual programming tool used by a lot of people that know the syntax of various programming languages but still use it because the iteration time is a lot better than the C++ counterpart, as well as less verbose, or/and to avoid all the strict typing needed in that language.
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by knome on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:47PM (#34347474)
I was curious what the blueprints looked like and did a google image search for screenshots of them. It brought up a unity forum post that does not make them look very palatable.

https://forum.unity.com/threads/unreal-engine-5-game-changer...

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by codetrotter on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:55PM (#34347562)
National Instruments LabVIEW is another example of graphical programming.

https://www.ni.com/en-no/shop/labview.html

LabVIEW is not appealing to me. But I know people and companies that swear by it.

We should admit that even though we may not like all examples of graphical programming that we’ve seen, there are a lot of people out there successfully relying on graphical programming to get their work done.

I continue to think that there may be graphical programming tools out there that may appeal to me also. Haven’t tried OP tool yet but maybe I will like it.

There are some tools that work in similar ways that I like, such as for example the nodes editor in Blender.

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by liketochill on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:15PM (#34349118)
Yeah I love function block programming for control systems.
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by newswasboring on Thursday January 12, 2023 @04:47AM (#34351286)
I worked with LabVIEW extensively between 2014-2016. Its not the best programming experience, but in some domains it was the only option. Our lab had some high end instruments and the only drivers were provided by NI.
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by mattigames on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:58PM (#34347602)
Blueprints allow for functions and Macros where you can encapsulate a lot of logic in a single graphical node, as well as grouping/labeling, so no, clean Blueprints don't look like that at all.

Screenshots can't make it justice anyway, because one of the main benefits of using Blueprints is to watch the logic and events flow in real time as you play/debug the game (represented as tiny marching circles)

Here is an interesting talk in this matter of organizing blueprints (52 min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0IlgjF-iw

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by pjmlp on Thursday January 12, 2023 @03:17AM (#34350623)
It is the usual monoliths with lack of proper modular programing practices, only applied to visual programming.

Maybe it is time to start doing microservices in visual programming languages. /s

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by homeland221 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @08:51PM (#34348006)
Node-red?
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by jimmySixDOF on Thursday January 12, 2023 @02:19AM (#34350247)
There is visual programming and then there is Primitive.io

>At Primitive, we believe that collaboration and immersive visualization are the future of software development. The arrival of virtual reality has provided a groundbreaking new platform to visualize data and collaborate in advanced ways. The Primitive Immersive Development Environment is taking advantage of everything that collaboration in VR can offer while applying new tools for visually analyzing software in 3D.

Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by yodsanklai on Thursday January 12, 2023 @05:35AM (#34351639)
Just curious, who uses Prolog nowadays, and what type of application?
Re:An online IDE for visual programming in Prolog by rurban on Thursday January 12, 2023 @07:09AM (#34352334)
People who need to solve problems.

Operations research, optimizations, routing, all the classical AI problems.