Re:We need a lot more electricians if we’re going to electri...
by kuschku on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:31AM
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The service drop in EU/UK is 380V. The point stands.
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by sbradford26 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:40AM
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So that 380V would be for 3 phase to a home which is not always the case. There are plenty of homes in Europe that only have single phase to the house which is at 230V.
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by throwawayacc3 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:47AM
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That is incorrect. The EU/UK are on 230V at 50Hz at residential service entry. The point does not stand.
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by Symbiote on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:04PM
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This varies.
Houses and apartments in Denmark have 3 phase service. My apartment's main breaker is labelled 40A @ 380V.
I believe the oven and hob make use of it, but I haven't looked myself.
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by petre on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @12:24PM
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400V between phases, 230V phase to neutral. Most homes have single phase though.
Re:We need a lot more electricians if we’re going to electri...
by kuschku on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @12:46PM
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So how would you run an instant water heater or electric induction stove then? Every apartment and house I've ever lived in had 380V three-phase right to the kitchen, to the bathroom, and to basement rooms (e.g. for prosumer workshop tools).
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by danans on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:29PM
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> So how would you run an instant water heater or electric induction stove then? Every apartment and house I've ever lived in had 380V three-phase right to the kitchen,
I run an induction stove on 220V single phase every day here in the US.
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by petre on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:38PM
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Isn't it two phase? AFAIK in the US you have 240V two phase with 180° between them.
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by danans on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:00PM
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The US uses a single, split phase
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by petre on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:36PM
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I wired one phase to all the burners and the oven. They're on a separate circuit with a 16 amp fuse. It's 2200W. Has mever tripped. 400V is just not very common for residential in the EU, maybe in the UK you have electric boilers and other powerful appliances. I had a good laugh when I saw that your codes require an electrical connection between the two taps. Makes total sense from a safety perspective but it's still funny.
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by sbradford26 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:43AM
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Only small correction to that is that load center doesn't step down voltage. The center tapped transformer at the street steps down the voltage to 240V, but then that center tap on the transformer becomes your neutral so you end up with two legs that are 120V from ground/neutral and 240V from leg to leg in your load center.
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by danans on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:48PM
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Thanks for that correction. In retrospect it makes sense, because each circuit breaker isn't functioning as a little transformer.
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by rootusrootus on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:11PM
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> The service drop in the US is 220V.
240V. Since we're throwing around numbers, let's be accurate. This is a pet peeve of mine. We've been standardized at 240V since 1967, and it was higher than 220V years before that.
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by danans on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:58PM
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Thanks for the correction about the actual voltage today.
However, it seems like 220V was the standard before that [1], which is why it's still common parlance, referring to the "higher" voltage. Certainly I've heard many people in the trades still refer to it with the older term, even if the circuit is actually 240V.
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by rootusrootus on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:21PM
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The voltage started at 220 way before the 60s, and then increased incrementally over the years, until standardizing at 240V. I don't know when the first bump past 220 happened exactly, and it may not have been simultaneous in all areas. I gather the reason for the standardization was to stop the creep and pick a voltage to stick with for everyone.
> UK: 100 A x 230 V = 23,00 W
> US: 200 A x 120 V = 24,00 W
That's incorrect. The service drop in the US is 220V. It gets stepped down at the main load center to 120V for most of the regular circuits. So it's more like 48000W service in US houses.