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Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by Nursie on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:13PM (#34334610)
> 66B in assets

We don't really know this, and a lot of their assets seem to be things like "corporate paper", which may simply be IOUs from exchanges they've given Tethers to.

> At this point, the question should be: what makes you believe they are insolvent?

A history of lies about audits, for a start. Admissions that they weren't fully backed in court at various points in the past (73% was bandied around by their own people at some point). Plus if the 'corporate paper' situation is anything like described, in any sort of crunch situation it could prove to be worthless.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by eaurouge on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:26PM (#34335002)
> We don't really know this

Yes, I should have said 66B in liabilities. We don't know how much they have backing these liabilities.

> A history of lies about audits, for a start ...

Indeed. So we're free to come up with our various estimates. None more correct than the other.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by Nursie on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:47PM (#34335108)
> So we're free to come up with our various estimates. None more correct than the other.

Doesn’t this seem like a massive, systemic threat in itself, that an audit-dodging, opaque institution underpins the ecosystem?

Even if it is all present and correct (for some definition of present and correct) shouldn’t we be highly suspicious purely because of this evasive behaviour?

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by eaurouge on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @12:24AM (#34335289)
> Doesn’t this seem like a massive, systemic threat in itself, that an audit-dodging, opaque institution underpins the ecosystem?

It was. But it's increasingly less so. The market has hedged this risk somewhat, by decreasing its market share: https://www.theblock.co/data/decentralized-finance/stablecoi.... And will likely continue to do so.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by charcircuit on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:56PM (#34335155)
>and a lot of their assets seem to be things like "corporate paper",

Tether decreased the amount of corporate paper it was exposed to throughout 2022.

December 03, 2021: 44.24% of the reserves was corporate paper

September 30, 2022: 0.07% corporate paper

Over this time frame Tether's shareholder captial cushion (assets - liabilities) increased from $137,337,226 to $250,107,738

If you want to be accurate you can say most of their assets are US treasury bonds.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by Nursie on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:52AM (#34335830)
If you believe their figures, given their history of outright lies, and the fact that even the crypto-friendly auditing companies are dropping crypto company clients left right and centre (including BDO, who apparently signed off on this stuff, who are "evaluating" their services to the crypto economy - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-news-today-12-...)
Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by charcircuit on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:21AM (#34335984)
>given their history of outright lies

Such as?

>and the fact that even the crypto-friendly auditing companies are dropping crypto company clients left right and centre

This has to do with the auditing companies being risk adverse as regulatory pressure around crypto increases. It doesn't mean that the reports they made were fraudulent.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by Nursie on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:25AM (#34335999)
> Such as?

For years their website claimed that the company was regularly audited, when they hadn't (still haven't AFAICT) undergone a single audit.

> This has to do with the auditing companies being risk adverse as regulatory pressure around crypto increases.

In at least some cases I think it has more to do with concerns over how the reports they were producing were being used by their clients -

"Mazars Group said in a statement to CNBC that it had “paused its activity relating to the provision of Proof of Reserves Reports for entities in the cryptocurrency sector due to concerns regarding the way these reports are understood by the public.”

“They do not constitute either an assurance or an audit opinion on subject matter. Instead they report limited findings based on the agreed procedures performed on the subject matter at a historical point in time,”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/16/mazars-suspends-all-work-wit...

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by charcircuit on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:57AM (#34336513)
>For years their website claimed that the company was regularly audited, when they hadn't (still haven't AFAICT) undergone a single audit.

Have you considered they may have audited it themselves? Just because there wasn't an audit published by an external auditer that doesn't mean no one has ever audited their accounts.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by Nursie on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:05AM (#34337178)
That’s not the claim they were making and is not the common understanding of what an audit is.

I would consider this every bit as bad. “We marked our own homework! And guess what? It was great!”

The whole concept is ludicrous.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by charcircuit on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @12:08PM (#34340953)
The claim I found was "Our reserves are regularly audited."

Internal audits still have value as it means that someone can't steakily steal money from the reserves without them noticing.

Re:Crypto.com Will Delist Tether in Canada by Nursie on Thursday January 12, 2023 @03:11AM (#34350587)
Internal audits have no value for the outside world, so we have lies or weaselry, neither is a good look.

Further, they paid $41 million to settle a case over their lies - https://fortune.com/2021/10/15/tether-crypto-stablecoin-fine...

I don't think it's a stretch at this point to say they have a history of, at the very least, being highly economical with the truth and misrepresenting their own level of transparency. And I do think your argument is unreasonable.

Take a look back to 2017 on the wayback machine -

"Every tether is always backed 1-to-1, by traditional currency held in our reserves. So 1 USD₮ is always equivalent to 1 USD."

"Our reserve holdings are published daily and subject to frequent professional audits."

We know that neither of those things was true.