UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years

Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by flipbrad on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:22AM (#34323723)

Given how little covid testing is happening, is there a chance we're undercounting ongoing covid mortality?

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by kdjkdjk on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:31AM (#34323832)

Yes and no. More people are also having more health issues because of a weakened immunse system (due to prior COVID infections). The "direct" link might not necessarily be made, but there's definite increased mortality as a consequence of COVID policies.

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by ekianjo on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:35AM (#34323888)

If people are dying so much from covid then the vaccines are completely useless since they were supposed to reduce mortality.

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by flipbrad on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:38AM (#34323919)

I don't think you are engaging very deeply in thought here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63548270

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by ekianjo on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:41AM (#34323960)

Notice the IF in the start of my sentence.

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by kdjkdjk on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:56AM (#34324118)

They do so successfully, but wane quite quickly. Few people are taking booster shots so their protection diminishes over time.

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by thinking4real on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @05:58PM (#34332703)

“The vaccines are a success… but you need to take more vaccines to be protected”

Surely you can see that the goal posts have been shifted from the days of “the vaccine is our road back to normalcy” and similar mantras when they first were pushed?

It was originally touted as the solution. Many people who were silenced, fired, or worse, were silenced from objecting with the idea that “this isn’t a solution, I’d rather not”

And now we’re saying it was a rousing success, yet it isn’t enough at the same time…

The doublespeak is astounding

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by neffy on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:44AM (#34323982)

Hard to be sure, but I would suspect very probably, although perhaps not for that reason.

Long covid is real, and statistically significant. Heart and blood stream involvement issues with covid have also been apparent from the start. Put that together and any uptick in heart attacks, strokes, etc. might well be longer term consequences of Covid, and put that together with overloaded health systems, and not just in the UK.

It's not just a flu.

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by napier on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @08:04AM (#34324211)

This is absolutely possible, alongside difficult to test and disaggregate for realities of post-Covid and long/chronic Covid sequelae that aren't even on the health quant analysis radar for the most part, despite the wealth of mechanistic and stochastic dots that remain unconnected, at least in official public utterances.

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Re:UK: Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years by guilhas on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @01:55PM (#34329636)

They will test you as soon as you go to the GP or hospital

So I think if they was a relevant uptake in COVID cases that would be news everywhere

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