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Re:Social contagions can cause genuine illness, and TikTok m... by haswell on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:17PM (#34301538)
> The brain isn't like a piece of silicon and you really can't use an analogy like that.

Of course it's not like silicon, and that's why it's an analogy. Neither is a lobotomy anything like a sex change operation.

The basic structure of this particular analogy is highlighting that:

- Solution A: Literally destroys the machinery

- Solution B: Brings about changes in how the machinery operates by altering the processes running on that machinery

That these processes are further self-modifying is interesting, but irrelevant to the point.

The implications of these outcomes are meaningfully different whether we're talking about silicon or organic brains.

> I simply find your point that transitioning is not permanently changing the brain very silly.

This is not the point I was trying to make, and as I pointed out in the beginning of my comment, the entire point of any medical operation is to "change the brain", either directly or indirectly.

My point was more about the nature of the change, and how the literal destruction of a brain is a very different kind of change and is therefore an even more problematic comparison to make in the original comment.

Going on a road trip also permanently alters the brain.

Re:Social contagions can cause genuine illness, and TikTok m... by rowanG077 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:39PM (#34301760)
That they are self-modifying is the entire point. You can't just sweep that under the rug. This is what you said:

> 2. The outcomes of these procedures are in different stratospheres, and gender surgery doesn’t involve changing the makeup of one’s brain and the fundamental structures through which one experiences subjective reality.

And transitioning for sure changes the makeup of one's brain. You can backpedal all you want now but your own words are very clear.

Re:Social contagions can cause genuine illness, and TikTok m... by haswell on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:57PM (#34301916)
> That they are self-modifying is the entire point.

From my perspective, physical destruction was the primary point, and I was very specifically calling attention to how that destruction is meaningfully different from other kinds of changes.

That the brain is self-modifying was assumed, and self modification becomes a moot point when the brain is no longer capable of the traditional processes of self modification due to physical destruction.

> And transitioning for sure changes the makeup of one's brain.

A point that I acknowledged explicitly above. That doesn't mean that attacking a region of the brain with a metal spike and hammer is somehow the same thing.

> You can backpedal all you want now but your own words are very clear.

Obviously my words were not very clear since you've taken some meaning from them that I never intended.

Hopefully this comment clarifies the original intent sufficiently (which, incidentally is not back pedaling, since nothing about my position has changed).

Re:Social contagions can cause genuine illness, and TikTok m... by escapedmoose on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:40PM (#34306816)
Yeah people really seem to have gotten (purposefully?) lost in the weeds with that analogy. If it’s worth anything to you, I think your original point holds up.